Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Starwood Choices...W or Westin or St. Regis or Le Meriden

We are headed to SF for two nights in mid september. Do not have much knownledge of SF downtown Hotels. We are Top level Elite with Starwood and want to take go use of our perks. So see what best choice is of the five hotels under the Starwood name.





St. Regis



Westin



W Hotel



Le Meriden



Palace





We are not high maintance, do need spa sessions or limo rides around the city. Would like to take advantage of any Club level at these Hotels.





Thanks All





SCA



Starwood Choices...W or Westin or St. Regis or Le Meriden


Westin has spelled out it%26#39;s name at the W, i.e., the W is the Westin.

Help, first time to San Francisco

So my husband and I are trying to plan a trip out West - problem is we are constricted by time. We only have 3 nights and a lot of wants on our list. We will be flying in from New York to San Francisco Friday - Monday. We were thinking of staying in San Francisco Friday night then going to the wine Country Saturday - Monday. Trouble is during harvest I%26#39;m having difficulty finding availability on that Saturday night. Also what are thoughts on Bernardus in Carmel area is it too much to do San Francisco Friday Night, Bernardus Lodge Saturday Night then try to drive up to Napa for Sunday night and fly out of San Francisco on Monday? Also thought of doing one of the day winery trips from San Francisco? And just staying in San Fran. Thanks for your time and recommendations - trying to make the most of our time but still want the trip to be a relaxing getaway.



Help, first time to San Francisco


Yes, that%26#39;s way too much to do on a weekend.





My advice would be this. Stay the entire time in San Francisco. Or, if you HAVE to do something else as well, find a good company for a day trip to the wine country. If you do a search here you will see recommendations. You probably want a smaller company, like in a minivan to have a better experience.





If you try to drive between three places in one weekend you have not seen anything of San Francisco. It is worth three days all by itself.





It won%26#39;t be a relaxing getaway if you do it as you had planned.



Help, first time to San Francisco


19 June 2005, wrote 芦George Max wrote: In the matter of a vacation, less is more. Do less driving, more time at any one site. . . . Just %26#39;cause it%26#39;s ';doable'; doesn%26#39;t mean it should be done.禄



Excellent advice well-stated.



Your plans are over-ambitious. You should seriously consider spending more time doing less than so little time doing so much.

Central coast, need help please!

Our travel dates are 7/28-8/2..or 8/1-8/7 depending on hotel availabilty,car etc.

We were thinking of flying into San Jose renting a car and driving to the central coast. Not to familiar with anything there but Monterey and Carmel. We would like to go south a bit further to wade in the warmer beaches,( are there any that we can do this?)and visit Hearst Castle. Can anyone please tell me how long it takes to drive from San Jose down to the central coast area? and also which tour of Hearst Castle my family should take. I have a 16 yr old and 8 yr old...both girls.I know there are so many towns along the pacific coast highway and am a bit overwhelmed on choosing a place that fits our budget..I dont want to go above around 120.00 a night.and also making sure we have enough time do do everything we want to. We will be staying 4 nights in the area.Ending our last night in Santa Cruz because we also want to visit Winchester Mansion and Santa Cruz boardwalk. Thanks for the help!

Central coast, need help please!

It%26#39;s about an hour from San Jose (via 101) to the outskirts of Monterey. It%26#39;s probably 2 hours from there to Hearst Castle via Highway 1 (beautiful drive). You will probably need to/want to stop along the way, so add maybe another hour.

I guess warmer is a relative term, but all of the California coast is too cold for me to swim in. To wade around it doesn%26#39;t make that much difference to me if the temp is 63 or 68 and there%26#39;s lots of spots you can do that. Check out this water temp chart:

http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/spac.html

Keep in mind that the air temps on the coast are usually cool as well and be sure to bring warms clothes to layer. Inland areas (like San Jose) can be very warm.

I haven%26#39;t toured Hearst Castle in many years, so can%26#39;t help with which one to choose. I think your hotel budget is a little low for summer, but hopefully you can find something.

Santa Cruz/Boardwalk is fun and worth a visit. Are you talking about the Winchester Mystery House in San Jose? If so, skip it. Not worth the time or price of admission.

Central coast, need help please!

The drive from San Jose to Monterey takes about 90 minutes. The drive from Monterey to Hearst Castle, along the coast, takes 2 hours or so. The drive from Hearst Castle to San Luis Obispo is another hour from there. The drive directly from SJ to SLO takes 3 hours.

You%26#39;ll probably want to make a loop out of your trip, using SR (state Route) 1 south and US 101 for your return north. If you%26#39;re leaving San Jose in the afternoon, I suggest overnight stays in Monterey, San Luis Obispo, and Santa Cruz (in that order). Morro Bay and Pismo Beach offer equally affordable alternatives to SLO.

If you are leaving from San Jose in the morning, you could drive down the coast to San Simeon Acres, which is near Hearst Castle, and spend the night there. Then you could visit Hearst Castle the following morning and spend the night in Pismo Beach, which is south of SLO.

Do not expect to find budget accommodations in Carmel, Big Sur, or Cambria/Moonstone Beach. There isn%26#39;t much to see or do along US 101, so I suggest focusing your time along the coast. Consider camping in Big Sur if you all are nature lovers, but like everything else, book ahead!

As for Hearst Castle, take Tour 1. It is the introduction tour. If, for some reason, you aren%26#39;t interested in Tour 1, then consider Tour 4 (the gardens). Tours 2 and 3 are focused house tours and won%26#39;t be as interesting without having first taken Tour 1.


To expand upon what has been said, you will be disappointed in the Winchester Mystery House after you visit Hearst Castle. You won%26#39;t know any better if you visit Hearst Castle AFTER it, but you%26#39;ll look back and scratch your head at the admission price, which if I remember correctly is higher for Winchester.

If you are looking for a silly tourist attraction, consider the much cheaper Mystery Spot, which is on the outskirts of Santa Cruz. The Mystery Spot also has the advantage of not being ';another house tour';--save the ';house tour'; for Hearst Castle!

As for water temperature, there won%26#39;t be much improvement in warmth until much further south, say around Santa Barbara. However, the beaches at Avila Beach and Pismo Beach WILL be warmer than the beaches at Monterey, Carmel, Big Sur, San Simeon, and Morro Bay. But not by much.


Do come to Santa Cruz. The Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk is celebrating its 100th anniversary and there are all kinds of fun and free things going on. The Moscow Circus is here several nights a week, there are free concerts, and on Monday and Tuesday, prices are rolled back. There is no admission to the Boardwalk, you just pay for what you ride, eat and games you may play.

I, too, would discourage Winchester Mystery House...it is way overpriced and not a ';mansion';, just a very eccentrically built Victorian House, with a fabricated story to go with it.

If you are interested in the ';Mystery Spot'; mentioned above, I will describe it. It is one of those places touted as a mysterious spot where gravity seems to have gone haywire. It is in a redwood forest. A ball seems to roll uphill, people seem to change height depending upon which end of a board they are standing on, etc. This is all, of course, tricks in perception, but fun. Admission $5 (as opposed to $22 to $30 for Winchester House, depending upon which tour you take.) Oh, and if you have just one night here you can%26#39;t make both the Boardwalk and Winchester Mystery House. Winchester is in San Jose, some miles away.

Mystery Spot has tours every half hour from 9am to 7pm. To find it, take Water Street to Market Street and follow it out 2.5 miles. There are big yellow signs to guide you. It is a pretty drive.

I think you should make your Santa Cruz hotel reservations just as soon as you know your dates. This is a popular summer. In your price range I might suggest the Carousel Motel, which is near the Boardwalk, has a complimentary continental breakfast and has Boardwalk ride packages. (Also has high speed and wireless Internet if you are traveling with a laptop.) Go to santacruzmotels.com. There are also other choices on that site.


In Pismo Beach, look at the Kon Tiki Inn or Oxford Suites. You can wade in the water here, but it is cold. There are even a few places where you can rent boogie boards and wet suits.

Avila Beach (just north of Pismo) is the areas most popular beach, as it tens to be sunnier and warmer. Just don%26#39;t swim too far out from the beach. White Sharks are attracted to the seals that make Avila their home.

Pismo is only an hour away from Hearst Castle and would be a great early start before making your way up Hwy 1 to Santa Cruz.


I also recommend tour number 1at Hearst, it will cover most of the things you want to see and gives you a good general overview. (Look around on the bus ride, we met Meredith Baxter- Birney on our tour!)

Also in that area, go to the William Randolph Hearst Memorial State Beach, can swim and walk in the sand and can get snacks and picnic stuff at Sebastians General Store (1852) Just a fun place to see witth lot%26#39;s of old fishing and whaling stuff inside. My kids were fascinated.

In Cambria, kids like the tin soldier store, and the pottery store in nearby Harmony. Also a beach there where you can collect Moonstone.

Enjoy your trip and time with your girls!!!


Everyone..Thanks for so much valuable information! We visited Monterey and Carmel last year and loved this area. I can%26#39;t wait to make the drive along Big Sur and head further south. Sounds like we should stay in Morro Bay area as it is central to Cambria, and other small places and not far from SLO. We want to get away from this heat in Phoenix! Sounds like if we get an early flight, it will take us around 4 hrs with the drive and some pulling over to see sights.

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  • Angels tickets

    We will be in Anaheim on Friday July 27th and are wanting to attend an Angels game. I%26#39;ve been waiting to receive my Tonight Show tix (just did!), because I wasn%26#39;t sure which day I would get tix for, and now its too late to go through Ebay to get the tix before we leave for San Francisco this Friday. Does anyone have any knowledge of the ';ticket brokers'; standing outside of the park? I don%26#39;t really like to deal with them but it looks like my only option. I thought about trying to win an auction before I go and have the tickets mailed to the hotel in Anaheim I%26#39;ll be staying at but I would have to pay by Paypal and most people only ship to a confirmed address. Any ideas????



    Angels tickets


    Why not buy your tickets through ticketmaster.com and print them at home?



    Angels tickets


    Thanks for the suggestion but the only thing thats left are nosebleeds....It%26#39;s a fireworks night at the park. First ,and maybe only time in stadium so I%26#39;d like to have good seats if I can get them. If all else fails I guess I%26#39;ll just buy a nosebleed at the gate and try to move down. .




    In the past, if I really wanted to go to a game, I would look on Ticketmaster the day of or the day prior to the game very early in the morning. It seems as though tickets are released for purchase. I have been to both Yankees and Redsox games utilizing this method.




    Check out the Angels website for the ticket exchange. This is where the season ticket holders sell their tickets. You will need access to your email to print them out, but most hotels will allow you that.





    The other option is take a look on Ebay again and see what the delivery options are. I have bought tickets off Ebay and either picked them up at the Stadium, all over the States, or the person actually will meet me somewhere to get them. Perhaps, if the seller is nearby, they can drop them off at your hotel.





    Finally, across the street from the statdium are plenty of ';ticket brokers'; as you so nicely put it that will sell you tickets. These guys usually only work with the actual tickets, not e-tickets. Also, check the gas station on the corner of Katella %26amp; State College the day of the game from about 3 on and you may be able find someone selling then.





    Have fun.




    I agree with going to the Angels website and clicking on the Ticket Exchange there. You would be surprised at what you find! Some of the tickets are lower than regular price too. Look on the date you want, then go down the column with the amount of tickets that you need, then compare the sections/seats and prices. You can print them on your computer and pay less of a fee than you would normally pay too. I think it%26#39;s the best way to go! You should be able to get them before you leave home.





    Here%26#39;s a link:





    鈥lb.com/ana/ticketing/ticket_exchange.jsp





    By the way, the nosebleed section (upper view) isn%26#39;t all that bad. As long as the seats are closer to third base or even first base. It%26#39;s a great stadium. You should go to the game matter what!




    I don%26#39;t know if you already have, but I looked at the Angels Ticket Exchange today out of curiosity.





    I don鈥檛 know how many seats you need, but for Friday the 27th there are 2 sets of 2 in T226 and 2 in T225 right now. That would put you above and to the right of the visitor dugout in Terrace seats. Also, there are 2 seats in F127 which are closer to the field and sort of above the visitor dugout. The very best seats I see listed right now are 2 in F114, very near the Angels dugout and behind home plate. Unfortunately, they are extremely expensive at $187 each. They are normally $35. All the other seats mentioned above are all selling at a mark up, but not higher than $100.





    Here鈥檚 the listing. To print tickets you need an e-mail address and Adobe because they are delivered to your e-mail in an Adobe PDF. If you don鈥檛 have Adobe, maybe you can see if you can squeeze in some time to visit a library that does before you leave.





    http://teamexchange.ticketmaster.com/html/seatlist.htmI?l=EN%26amp;team=angels%26amp;showAll=1%26amp;EVNT=EAB0727|EAB0727C%26amp;CNTX=%26amp;sPrice=1




    Thanks for all the info! I%26#39;m trying to get a guy on Ebay to leave the tix at will call but if he can%26#39;t, I%26#39;ve found a pair on the ticket exchange I%26#39;m gonna grab. Since I%26#39;ve found some real experts on here can you tell me how close to the ballpark is the Marriot Townplace Suites...and if I made a good choice in staying there? I just love these forums!




    I didn%26#39;t know anything about the Marriott Townplace Suites so I looked it up on Trip Advisor. I looked at a couple of three reviews and they seem a little mixed. It seems people have differing ideas about the noise of the trains nearby. So, I tried clicking on ';map this hotel'; and saw how close the train tracks are.





    As someone who lives in a town with lots of trains (I don%26#39;t live in Redlands, but Colton), I can tell you that the train whistles in California can get loud. I would recommend looking into someplace else. If you have computer access you can do that in SF.





    Angels Stadium is close to Disneyland and there are lots of hotels to choose from, even down past DLR a little, on the border of Garden Grove. You probably could get a shuttle to the game. You can even take a taxi for a small amount from near DLR.





    Someone in the past month or so posted about a stay in a hotel where the visiting teams stayed, but I can%26#39;t remember what hotel. She found it to be very exciting and a comfortable hotel.





    I hope someone else posts. Maybe they can see your mind at ease better than I.




    Here%26#39;s the hotel I mentioned where the ball players stay and a review about that (by Gwen Rocks). It%26#39;s not as close as many other hotels, though. I%26#39;m just mentioning it because of your interest in baseball. I think you%26#39;d have to call or e-mail the hotel to find out if the players from Detroit are staying there(think that is the team that%26#39;s playing on your night), but it does sound like the hotel that is used for most teams.





    tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g32825-d7822鈥?/a>




    Got%26#39;em! Finally got the guy on Ebay to work with me...got a nice pair in section 124. Thanks everyone for your help.





    I originally booked the Townplace Suites because it looked like it was real close to the park but with the trains, I may look elsewhere.





    On Wednesday and Thursday were doing the typical touristy stuff like The Tonight Show, Warner Brothers Studio tour, etc. Any suggestions for Friday before the game? Is Knotts Berry Park worth a look? We%26#39;ve been to Disney World a few times...would Disneyland be a let down? Any other ideas?

    Happy Hour in San Francisco?

    Heading to San Francisco in about a week, staying in the Union Square area and would like to hang out and catch some food and drink specials during a happy hour when we arive (b/w 4 - 7pm)....any suggestions of a good spot?? Thanks!



    Happy Hour in San Francisco?


    I am blanking on the name of this pub and in the process of trying to find the name I stumbled upon this really awesome and crazy thing in google maps. You can basically tour the streets of big cities as if you were a pedestrian or in a car.



    Unfortunately the picture of the bar front wasn%26#39;t clear enough to read the small sign. But it is right on the SE corner of Ellis and Cyril Magnin. The couple of times I have been there it has been good appitizers and drinks with later in the night a great cover band. The place is quaint feeling but pretty large.



    Happy Hour in San Francisco?


    I think the previous poster is talking Puccini %26amp; Pinetti or Foley%26#39;s Irish Pub. If it is Puccini %26amp; Pinetti, here is the blurb about happy hour from their web site: http://www.pucciniandpinetti.com





    Happy Hour Monday-Friday 4:00pm to 6:00pm.



    We serve a fabulous Happy Hour, with a variety of domestic and imported tap beers, champagne, well liquor and wine for only $3.00. We also offer tasty appetizers like Pasta Nachos, Bruschetta, and our Pizza of the Day for only $3.00.





    My favorite happy hour is at the Tonga Room. Here is their info:



    Tonga%26#39;s Award Winning Happy Hour



    Monday to Friday: 5:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.





    The Happy Hour includes an extensive buffet of Pacific Rim delicacies with items such as spare ribs, vegetable chow mein, pork buns, pot stickers, chicken drummettes, cheese, fresh fruits and crudit茅s. The all-you-can-eat buffet is a %26#39;steal%26#39; at only $8 per person with a one drink minimum. To complement this feast fit for kings and queens, the tropical restaurant and bar serves tantalizing cocktails at Happy Hour prices.





    As you marvel at the exciting decor, be sure to hold on to your drink during the surprise thunder and lightning.





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    I was also going to suggest the Tonga Room.




    I%26#39;ll second the Tonga Room for tourists. It%26#39;s got that great ol%26#39; kitschy tiki feelin%26#39; ... and pu-pus, for a small price.

    Bring along...

    My best item to bring anywhere especially on this trip, was a plug extender. We have several lap tops, that need electric, camera batteries to be charged and of course the cell phone chargers. No hotel room ever has enough plugs. But this time I thought ahead. I brought a 6 plug extender, and it has solved arguments, etc. I thought I would just pass this along for any future travelers.



    Bring along...


    That%26#39;s a great idea, particularly when one is staying at an old, historic hotel, where wall outlets are few and far between.


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  • Turkish restaurant

    I am looking for a Turkish restaurant in the SF area. Any suggestions?



    Turkish restaurant


    There%26#39;s an inexpensive one up in the Tenderloiin that%26#39;s supposed to be pretty good called A la Turca on Geary at Larkin, which is really northern border Tenderloin



    Here are responses to a similar query on Chowhound%26#39;s Bay Area board:



    http://www.chowhound.com/topics/393739



    Turkish restaurant


    Having never been to Turkey... I%26#39;m not sure if I%26#39;m a good authority, but I%26#39;ve been to Troya (mentioned in the Chowhound article as well).





    It%26#39;s on Clement and 6th(?). Reasonable, not crowded. Nice setting. Food was good. I liked it, but I%26#39;d be interested in what someone who knows more about the cuisine thinks, so if you go and you know your Turkish food, please repost!





    -Curtis




    a la turka is pretty good. there%26#39;s a place called bursa kebab on west portal. i really like it.




    drummerliz referred to «bursa kebab on west portal. i really like it.»



    I think that%26#39;s a place where we ate. Our South American server impressed us more than the food. Gotta go back.




    Swingcha, get the meatballs, yum. and linger with a turkish coffee.




    drummerliz recommended «the meatballs, yum.»



    Hokay. thanks.



    «and linger with a turkish coffee.»



    I was introduced to kaffe Turku in Greece many long ago. Have it every chance I get. Even have wunna those little pots.




    There was a decent little review today in the SF Chronicle, about Sultan Kebab, also in the Tenderloin fringe, near the federal court house:





    www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi…

    My Boyfriend Is Getting Really Mad.......

    Hi all. My my boyfriend is getting real annoyed with me because i can%26#39;t seem to make up my mind on where i want to go for our up coming vacation. Okay i%26#39;m torn between South beach Miami in Oct or coming to LA. Now I%26#39;m not sure if this is a silly question but where do you think a 24 year old and a 20 year old would have more fun? Please help me. Thanks

    My Boyfriend Is Getting Really Mad.......

    I%26#39;m 24 and am headin to LA for part of my trip this summer with another 24 year old. Went to South beach a couple of years ago just for the day while staying in Fort Lauderdale...and am glad it was just a day trip!!! Does that answer your question?!?! I was disappointed with it. And also didnt feel all that safe there.

    Think LA is a better option for a vacation - more things to do, good nightlife..etc etc

    My Boyfriend Is Getting Really Mad.......

    IF you do go to California, suggest staying in Hollywood or Santa Monica/Venice Beach area for the trip. Also, consider flight cost, etc. when deciding where to go to and where you can get the best deal. Prices once you get there will be similar for things so do shop around for good prices. Jet Blue has reasonable prices from New York to West Coast...if you are ok with flying with Jet Blue (their on-time record is lower than other airlines but price is good.)


    Los Angeles is the second largest city in the United States:

    1. Home of the movie industry -- visit Warner Brothers, Sony, Paramount, etc. (Walk onto the set of the Gilmore Girls and the old ';Friends'; set -- at Warner Brothers)

    2. Home to major TV production -- see a TV show being taped at CBS Television City or NBC studios (The Priuce is Right, Ellen, etc, etc).

    3. Home of the record industry

    4. Possessing the largest urban park in America. Visit the Griffith Observatory, the steamer trains, the Autry Museum, play golf, play tennis, see a concert at the outdoor Greek Theater

    5. From Hollywood, you are within a 40-minute drive to Disneyland, Knotts Berry Farm, Six Flags Magic Mountain and Universal Studios -- amusement park.

    6. Rodeo Drive (Beverly Hills)

    7. Santa Monica %26amp; Venice Beaches

    8. Over 100 museums including the Getty Villa -- a reproduction of an ancient villa packed with artifacts overlooking the Pacific Ocean, the California Science Center, the L.A. Zoo, the La Brea Tar Pits, the Petersen Automotive Museum, the Museum of Television and Radio, etc, etc, etc

    9. Home to the world famous Sunset Strip and a burgeoning club scene in Hollywood (that has %26#39;under 21%26#39; clubs as well).

    10. Drive the Pacific Coast Highway to the exclusive seaside community of Malibu or hike in Temescal Canyon

    or go to Miami and lay on the beach all day! Can you say: ';This humidity is awful!';

    (BTW, we don%26#39;t have any humidity!)

    Your choice.


    In my opinion, there%26#39;s more things to do if you come to LA. Not only are there a variety of activiites and places to see while you%26#39;re here, but you%26#39;d be a lot closer if you want to go to San Francisco, San Diego, or Las Vegas.


    ';2. Home to major TV production -- see a TV show being taped at CBS Television City or NBC studios (The Priuce is Right, Ellen, etc, etc).';

    Where are these studios located?

    How can I get tickets?

    Thanks


    i don%26#39;t think Paris Hilton and friends ever go to South Beach !


    Thanks all, I%26#39;ve made the decision to come to L.A. Thanks again


    Don%26#39;t kid yourself. LA is great, but southbeach is awesome. The humidity is not a big problem in October. I%26#39;ve been to both. Being from NY you%26#39;ve probably done the big city touristy things. What do you like to do?? If I wanted to lay go to the beach, I would go to South Beach, the water is warmer. The clubs are probably a wash. There is certainly a greater variety in LA.


    ULRIKE:

    Go to TVTickets.com

    For the most part, the sudios are located throughout Hollywood (and vicinity) and neighboring Burbank (to the north).

    Have fun!


    I live in FL and would tell you to go to Los Angeles. South Beach is nothing to write home about. It is hot, humid, and there%26#39;s not a lot to do in the daytime except the beach or shopping. Nightlife is somewhat limited. It you really want Florida, consider Orlando. They have so much more to offer...theme parks, nightlife, hour drive to the beach (Daytona), and lots of stuff to do, but Florida can%26#39;t compare to California for the amount of things to do. We have better beaches and cheaper prices, but that%26#39;s about it. If you really want a great vacation, I would suggest Las Vegas. It is a 24 hour town and lots to do...shows....clubs...gambling...great weather. If both are 21 by Oct, consider Vegas. It is the best entertainment for the prices and you%26#39;ll never be bored. You don%26#39;t need a car. You can find lots of great package deals and there%26#39;s something for everyone. Good luck!

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  • Shops near our hotel

    We are staying at Holiday Inn Express Fishermans Wharf.





    Does anyone know if there are any shops within walking distance where we can buy drinks,snacks etc We have a fridge and microwave in the suite, so may even look to buy some microwaveable meals.





    Thanks :D



    Shops near our hotel


    Just to say, if there is nowhere within walking distance, we are prepared to take a taxi. :D



    Shops near our hotel


    This is A CITY! You%26#39;re rarely much farther than a block from a shop of some sort. The Wharf has more than you%26#39;re likely to patronize including a major supermarket.




    SwingCha - lol I know it%26#39;s a city, but just wanted to know in which direction to head, as we will be severely jet-lagged after our long flight and the time change. :D




    There is a Trader Joe%26#39;s at 401 Bay St., about a block and a half from your hotel. There is also a Walgreen%26#39;s nearby...ask your hotel concierge for directions, as I cannot remember the exact location. Both stores carry food items. Have fun!




    You%26#39;ll like Trader Joe%26#39;s - it%26#39;s a bit like an M%26amp;S Simply Foods, as they have a nice selection of prepared foods (though not as much as M%26amp;S) as well as basic groceries. They specialize in their own brands of things, which are cheaper than traditional store brands but very good. They are especially famous for ';2-buck-Chuck';, their $2 basic red and white Charles Shaw wines, which is totally drinkable...and for you, only 拢1! (They have other wines, too, if your tastes are a bit more refined)




    There%26#39;s a Walgreen%26#39;s on Jones, if I remember right, about a block from the Holiday Inn Express. They carry a selection of grocery items.





    We made good use of the Walgreens near our B%26amp;B when we visited, and ate frozen meals a couple of nights when we got back after the neighborhood restaurants had closed.





    A little farther afield is a Safeway supermarket if you need a larger grocery selection. It%26#39;s at Bay and Powell.





    Have a wonderful trip!





    Pug




    Thanks everyone for your replies - that%26#39;s great, know where to go now. And mackjack, I love M%26amp;S food, so hope Trader Joes lives up to my expectations! ;)




    Trader Joe%26#39;s is great. Look for, nay ASK for, a copy of ';The Fearless Flyer'; which is a completely entertaining advertising flyer and from which you will find things to buy you never even thought of. Don%26#39;t miss it.





    And, yes, Two Buck Chuck is perfectly drinkable. We prefer the Sauvignon Blanc and the Shiraz. My husband has one of their frozen tamales for lunch almost every day, and I keep bottles of green and black iced tea (pure tea, no flavors or sweeteners) in the pantry always.





    If you want to brighten up your suite, buy some flowers. They often have cut ones which have not yet opened (daffodils, tulips) and you put them in water and watch it happen.





    The have a lot of interesting microwaveable meals. Today I saw enchiladas, Thai, stuffed shrimp, among others.





    Enjoy.




    Puter - thanks for all the info. Do you happen to know if they have vegetarian meals available?




    Although I haven%26#39;t actually checked, I am sure that they have vegetarian entrees, simply because of the sheer volume of choices.

    Can someone please advise on this itinerary?

    I have done a little itinerary for one of our days in San Francisco in August, could someone please advise if this is OK?





    We are staying in Fisherman%26#39;s Wharf (Holiday Inn Express) so I believe quickest way to the bridge toll plaza is by taxi?





    So:



    taxi to bridge toll plaza



    No10 bus to Sausilito (I have the timetable)



    Have lunch and enjoy Sausilito



    Ferry from Sausilito to Ferry Building



    Look round ferry building



    FLine tram to fishermans wharf



    Walk back to hotel.





    I do have a couple of things I%26#39;m not sure of. Should we get to the bridge toll plaza bus stop a bit earier, can we get good views from there for photos? Also, is this where the bridge visitor centre/shop is?





    The other thing is will we be OK getting on the ferry at Sausilito, or do we need to book? It would be midweek, monday or wednesday.





    Any help appreciated - less than 3 weeks to go before we arrive! :D



    Can someone please advise on this itinerary?


    Mazzyanne asked «Should we get to the bridge toll plaza bus stop a bit earier, can we get good views from there for photos? Also, is this where the bridge visitor centre/shop is? . . . will we be OK getting on the ferry at Sausilito»



    Yes! to each.



    «Any help appreciated»



    The ';Don%26#39;t-miss SIGHTS in San Francisco'; page geocities.com/touringsfo/Articles/Sights.html has enough to keep you busy for nine 12.7-hour days. It includes links to your best sources of advice on WHERE TO EAT and, according to the Department of Health, WHERE TO NOT EAT here, the UseNet Group ba.food, and the quite-good sfSurvey and the comprehensive Yelp. It also has a WEATHER CHART with a link to current conditions.



    The FLAG/MAPS page geocities.com/touringsfo/…FlagMaps.html has links to the best on-line MAP of San Francisco, the outstanding WALKER/BICYCLIST map that shows the steepness of our streets. The new version of the formerly superb map created for the San Francisco Municipal Railway has removed many streets%26#39; names making it less useful. It%26#39;s cluttered with our many bus, cable car, street car, and bus routes. There is also a map of our CABLE CAR ROUTES, our 49-mile SCENIC DRIVE, and a superb map of GOLDEN GATE PARK.



    The frequently-updated SPECIAL EVENTS page has irregularly-scheduled music and dances as well as links to seven calendars of regularly-scheduled dances, a composite of five of them, and one of dance cruises and events around the world: http://geocities.com/dancefest/Specials.html The MUSIC section at the bottom of the page focuses on the best of jazz.



    Can someone please advise on this itinerary?


    SwingCha - wow I didn%26#39;t expect a reply so early, it%26#39;s not even 6am over there! ;)





    Thanks for answering my questions, and also thanks so much for all the additional information, that%26#39;s fantastic.





    Could I just ask how long roughly the taxi would take from our hotel to the bridge?





    Thanks :D




    If traffic is light, the taxi ride to the GGB should only take about 15 minutes.




    As for views from the GG Bridge...this can be tricky! Look out your window inthe morning, or catch the morning local news on Channels 2 or 4. If it%26#39;s foggy, you may want to wait until later in the day (after lunch) to get anything but a socked-in view from the GG Bridge. On typical summer days when the fog comes in and out every day, it will usually burn off by mid-day, stay clear for a few hours in the afternoon and then roll back in in the evening.




    If you feel more adventurous and don%26#39;t mind a bit of a walk before the bridge, the 28-19th Avenue bus goes from Fort Mason to the bridge toll plaza. You%26#39;ll find the gift shop and refreshment stand there.





    The bus stop is a little under a mile from Fisherman%26#39;s Wharf, and it is a scenic ride through the Presidio. Being right by the Bay, it can get damp and chilly, so wear layers and a hat, and bring a backpack or tote for your sweaters, camera, water, etc. (And your map, of course, which you will sneak out and look at on the sly so as not to be mistaken for tourists)





    Fort Mason and the Presidio are former army bases, now part of the National Park Service. They are worth a visit for the scenery and historic buildings, and Fort Mason has a regional NPS office where you can get info and maps for all the national parks in the West.




    Thanks everyone for your help, I%26#39;m getting really excited about this trip now! :D





    We were planning on doing the journey after lunch, so hopefully the fog will have cleared.





    We are having terrible weather over here in the UK at the moment, it%26#39;s just raining the whole time, day after day, so a bit of fog will be a nice change, LOL!!!






    Wow. We%26#39;re going to SF and are staying at the HIE in less than two weeks. We are planning to go to Sausilito.




    natepioneer - great minds think alike! ;)

    4 Hours to kill...in San Francisco

    Hello All,



    I have 4 1/2 hours in San Fran, on our way to L.A in the month of August. I always wanted to see the famous and beautiful sites



    ( fisherman%26#39;s wharf, alcatraz, the golden gate bridge ect.) but I don%26#39;t know how long it will take to catch a cab from San Fran Inter. Airport...or how long customs will take??? Any Idea%26#39;s???



    Much Appreciated,



    Lorraine



    4 Hours to kill...in San Francisco


    I don%26#39;t know how much time to estimate for customs these days.



    A cab from SFO to the Golden Gate Bridge ought to take about 30 minutes. I%26#39;d suggest, that depending on how much time you have once you get out of customs, is to go directly there, park at the toll plaza, walk out there and get your pictures and come back via Fisherman%26#39;s Wharf. You can return via the Embarcadero, going all along the waterfront, and back onto the freeway back to the airport.



    4 Hours to kill...in San Francisco


    Lorraine,





    I cannot help you regarding the length of time to clear customs.





    There isn%26#39;t too much you can do per se in just 4-1/2 hours. It is my belief that unless you hire a personal driver, you%26#39;re not going to be able to get to the Golden Gate Bridge and some of the other sites, and get back to the airport on time. A ferry ride to Alcatraz is pretty much out of the question.





    The flag drop for a taxi from the airport is $5.10 ($3.10, plus $2 airport surcharge), and 45 cents per 1/5 mile and 45 cents per minute.





    A lower cost alternative is to take BART, the regional rail transit system. BART stops at the International terminal. Round-trip from the airport to downtown San Francisco is $10.30.





    Buy a BART ticket at the fare machine, and hop on BART headed for Dublin/Pleasanton. You%26#39;ll want to get off at the Embarcadero station, which is the FINAL San Francisco stop. Trip time: about 35 minutes, not counting wait time.





    Head for the historic Ferry Building, and look around there if you%26#39;d like. When done, proceed to move either north or south along the Embarcadero. If you are a baseball fan, walk south (toward the Bay Bridge), and you%26#39;ll hit AT%26amp;T Park within 15 minutes or so, at a brisk pace. Red%26#39;s Java House is on the way, and it%26#39;s where some of the ballplayers stop by to pick up something on their way to the park.





    Or, take the historic F trolley cars going north along the Embarcadero, with a destination at Fisherman%26#39;s Wharf. It%26#39;s $1.50 one-way-- get a free transfer from the operator, which will allow you a free ride within a two-hour window. Travel time should be about 15 minutes, sans waiting time.





    You%26#39;re not going to have time to do much in Fisherman%26#39;s Wharf except to look around. Maybe you can have something to eat on the go, as there are a lot of concession stands in the area. When you%26#39;re done looking, take the F trolley back to the Ferry Building, and take BART back to the airport-- look for the destination sign SFO/Millbrae.





    Note: although you did not mention anything about the cable cars, it is possible to ride the cable cars to and from downtown San Francisco to the Fisherman%26#39;s Wharf area. Cable cars cost $5 one-way, with no free transfers issued. So, it%26#39;s $10 roundtrip. Trip time on the cable car is about 25 minutes to Fisherman%26#39;s Wharf, not counting wait time.





    If you wish to do this, take BART to Powell Street instead of the Embarcadero.





    I hope this helps.





    rjg




    Take BART to Civic Center. Go to Ninth Street to get a taxi to the Golden Gate Bridge; keep the taxi to take you to Fisherman%26#39;s Wharf. From there, take a streetcar to the Ferry Building and, from there, BART back to The Airport. Easily done in three hours.



    Ways to get from The Airport to Your Hotel may be found at http://geocities.com/touoringsfo/FromSFO.html

    Universal or Disney?!

    Hi



    I am coming over to LA in septemeber with my cousin we are 22 and 23. We are only staying for 4 nights so our schedule will be pretty tight therefore we only really ahve time to do either Disney or Universal which one would you reccomend?



    Also we are stayin at the Hyatt Regency Century City, anyone know of anything good to do around there and how easy it is to get into hollywood etc as we are not hiring a car.



    We were also wondering where is the best club to go on a Saturday night? We heard it was Les Deux can anyone suggest any place else?



    Thanks



    Universal or Disney?!


    If you can change your hotel, do so (even if you have to pay a small penalty to cancel the reservation) or hire a car!!





    The Hyatt, while a beautiful and highly-rated property is in the Century City area of Los Angeles. This neighborhood, fashioned out of the former backlot of the 20th Century Fox Studios is a grid of streets populated by highrise steel and glass skyscrapers. There is nothing to see or do there except for a shopping mall in the corner of the neighborhood which, in my view, you could skip without upsetting your visit.





    After 18:00, the office buildings shut down and there is no one walking on the streets (which ban parking, btw). It%26#39;s just steel, glass and concrete plazas as far as the eye can see.





    THe only public transit here are the buses some of which do not run through the neighborhood. This requires you to walk to either Santa Monica Bl to the north or Olympic Bl; to the south to catch one.





    Getting to Disneyland from Century City requires taking 2 buses in succession. Total transfer time: around 3 hours EACH WAY. We can fashion an alternate route for you using buses, and a commuter train but those three conveyances will still take around 2 hours each way!





    Getting to Universal isn%26#39;t a lot better.



    1. You still have to walk to Santa Monica Bl to catch the bus



    2. You still have to take either 2 buses or a bus followed by the metro rail



    3. The transfer will still take about an hour, 15 minutes plus the time it takes to wait for and ride the free tram ';up the hill'; from the public transit station to the gates of Universal.





    Ordinarily, I am a big proponent of public transit for visitors to our city but, in your case, I am making the exception.





    If, on the other hand, you change your hotel to the RENAISSANCE HOLLYWOOD -- the only 5-star property in Hollywood, the commuting times are much better:





    1. Universal%26#39;s metro rail stop is 4 minutes from the metro rail stop closest to the Renaissance.



    2. Transfer time to DL is about an hour.





    Between DL and US, it has a lot to do with what interests you. DL is the ';Magic KIngdom'; -- so if seeing Mickey Mouse and friends will tug at your heart, then DL is the way to go. Universal, on the other hand, is a working movie studio. Admission to Universal includes a tram tour of the studio which also involves driving through natural disasters (floods, avalanches, etc). There are also shows and movie-themed rides.





    BTW, if you are thinking of taxi taxis to get around, keep in mind that:





    1. Taxis do not roam the streets of our city. You must call a taxi company to order one or pick one up at a major hotel, or at a major entertainment area (like the Sunset Strip)





    2. They are expensive. L.A. is very spread out. A taxi to DL, for example would be about $100.





    Have fun!



    Universal or Disney?!


    Thanks for your reply!





    I think I will give Disney a miss as I have been to other Disney Parks before anyway...





    I don%26#39;t think I can cancel my booking so will have to stay with the Hyatt. I had a look at the other hotel you reccomended and didn%26#39;t like it as much anyway.





    I am hoping the weather will b nice and we can walk a bit as we enjoy walking, failing that I guess we will have to book taxis.




    Weather will be perfect in september, sunny, low 80%26#39;s, no rain. So no need to worry about that





    As for clubs, Les Deux is impossible to get in on a saturday night. I can hook you up for tuesday nights as i have a contact that night there. As for saturdays, just message me the week when you come out here and i can see what i can do for you ;-)




    I would say Universal or Magic Mountain.




    Travis, there are dozens of hotels to choose from that are better situated than the Hyatt. Unless you%26#39;ve prepaid your entire stay there, cancellation will not exceed one night%26#39;s rent. Taking taxis for 4 days and nights could easily cost the price of one night%26#39;s stay.




    Travisdog,



    I have been advised to do Six Flags Magic Mountain if it is rollercoasters you are after.



    I have done Disney and Universal in Florida before and Six Flags looks fantastic.



    Regards



    Mo




    Hey Six Flags does sound quite good where abouts is this located?




    Universal Studios has less to do than Disneyland/Disney%26#39;s California Adventure. However, if you%26#39;ve been to a Disney park before, try something new!





    Magic Mountain is in Santa Clarita. It%26#39;s all about the roller coasters! Try not to go on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday unless you like big crowds. It can be accessed via public transit, but like most tourist destinations, is not terribly easy to get to from Century City.





    Knott%26#39;s Berry Farm is in Buena Park. I consider it a cross between Disneyland and Universal Studios, but I haven%26#39;t been to it in years and it may be completely different now. It can be accessed by public transit, but again not easily from Century City.





    Try the trip planner at http://www.metro.net to see how to get to these destinations. If you have further public transit questions, I would be happy to help, as long as you have specific travel dates in mind.




    Is Universal Studios horribly crowded on a Sunday?


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  • skirts on DL rides

    is it appropriate to wear a skirt to DL, DCA in regards to going on rides - ie when going on roller coasters do the harnesses that strap you in go over your head and shoulders or between your knees?

    skirts on DL rides

    skirts are no problem!

    skirts on DL rides

    thank you!


    The one thing that was brought to mind by your question is if the person wearing the skirt is a small girl and you choose to bring her on Soarin%26#39; over California in DCA - there is a height requirement that they (the children) have to meet, otherwise, there is a strap that goes between their legs to keep them safely on the ride when the chairs lift from the floor.


    For women or girls who want the best of all worlds, there are skorts, sometimes called culottes, which have leg divisions like pants but are looser and therefore airier than pants and drape a little like a skirt. You can have comfort, modesty, more feminine appearance, and safety in the rides all in one piece of clothing.


    My girls weear skirts/dresses quite often as do I and the only ride that is really an issue is the Orange Stinger at CA. The strap on Soaring is fine, just hike the skirt up a bit.


    I like the idea of a skort. Here we have some jean shorts that either have a skirt around them to make them into a skort or have a sort of wrap flap in front to give the shorts some flair and make them really cute. I don%26#39;t know if that type of style is sold world wide, but if you don%26#39;t have anything like that you can probably find in on Target%26#39;s website.

    Now, to answer your question of appropriateness. I don%26#39;t think a skirt is appropriate because for a least a few rides I can think of you will not be able to get into and out of them in a lady like manner. (Which is why I like the idea of a skort better.) It%26#39;s up to you if you want to be mindful of how you look when getting onto a ride. Also, unless you have reserved seating for Fantasmic you will be sitting on the ground which is a lot easier on you in shorts. And when waiting to see the fireworks it is likely that you will be standing in the middle of the street, if you choose to see them from in from of the Castle. Most people tire of standing, especially for an hour or so and sit down on the ground. Depending on how busy it is and where you are, you could have a limited area to sit down in and you may even have people trying to walk over you to find a spot. If your skirt is even half way nice it could get ruined. I think blue jeans skorts are a good alternative to a skirt under these circumstances. The parades are another problem with a skirt, since you may be sitting on a curb. Again, sort of a challenging posture to remain ladylike.

    You may also want to consider what type of footwear you will wear. Cute shoes with even a short heel are probably not going to make you feel good or be safe in some instances. Wedgies might be okay. Flip flops or open toed sandals without much support may make your feet ache after awile and sometimes people are not very careful about avoided other people%26#39;s feet in a crowd.

    IMHO, a skirt (and even nice shoes) for a limited amount and limited activity of time at DLR will probably be comfortable, otherwise no. I see a few women wearing skirts/dresses when the swing bands play at DL, and some women in saris, but that%26#39;s about it.

    For a little girl, I think they are fine as long as they a comfy in them (especially sitting on the ground) and wear good shoes.

    When I was in my teens are schools had a rule that girls had to wear dresses and my parents made me wear a dress a couple of times to Disneyland. When I gradutated high school and we had our Grad Nite Party at Disneyland, girls had to wear dresses. Actually, we were the first graduating class allowed to wear ';pantsuits'; I think. I was really uncomfortable in my mini - dress!


    thanks for all your replies. i have heard of skorts but hadn%26#39;t thought about them for this instance. definetly something to consider. i will be wearing comfy shoes as i know i will be on my feet all day.

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  • Snorkeling Catalina

    Has anyone done the Guided dives as offered by Snorkeling Catalina? Thoughts?



    Snorkeling Catalina


    Sorry I have not. I didn%26#39;t want you to think that you were being ignored. You might want to try one of the dive groups web sites and contact them and see what they have to say. Sorry....

    Vacation rental help, also best beach for boogie boarding!

    Hi



    Still no luck on vacation rentals in my price range. The one I was interested in on San Jose is rented. There is a condo being offered on Thomas at Mission, in Pacific beach that sounds nice. Can anyone tell me about the area? I will have my 3 kids ages 16 and up with me.





    Also is August a good time of the year for boogie boarding? What are the best beaches for boogie boarding as that is #1 on our list of things to do!





    Thanks



    Vacation rental help, also best beach for boogie boarding!


    You are leaving things late as August is a very busy time and that is why there is not much around to choose from. Yes you can go boogie boarding and th ePacific/missionBeach area is a good one for that. Thomas and Mission is a busy aree with restuarants and stores nearby.



    Vacation rental help, also best beach for boogie boarding!


    The best boogie boarding in my opinion is at Windansea in La Jolla, although if you are not very experienced or your kids are not then I wouldn%26#39;t recommend it. Any beach will do for general boogie boarding.





    Also what are you specific dates and what is your price range.




    Thanks for helping!



    I was able to rent the PB condo, deposit went out today! Now I can start getting excited!



    I tried to stay in La Jolla, it just didn%26#39;t work out. I%26#39;m sure we will be spendng time there.



    I love boogie boarding, scuba, snorkeling, kayaking, tidepooling, you name it! I grew up in Hawaii and I REALLY miss the ocean. How I ended up in Nevada I%26#39;ll never know!



    Anyways less than a month to a week of pure heaven :)




    Wind n Sea beach is just';up th eroad a piece'; from where you are staying BUT it is a local surfers beach and if you are from Hawaii you will know that they protect their territory.




    HaHa



    I would get plenty ';stink eye'; and or they would laugh me off the the beach! I can still catch a wave ,but my serious surfing days are long gone.



    I hope to snorkel, Kayak and go tidepooling in La Jolla.



    We are bringing Kayaks, boogie boards, bikes, and scuba-snorkling gear with us. Thats why we needed a condo, so we would have a patio to store our gear!



    So if you see a little white suburu packed to the hilt, looking like something out of ';Grapes of Wrath'; that would be us!



    This is a awesome group on this forum!



    thanks again!

    ';Classic'; Hollywood Traditional/Historic Bar or Tavern?

    Hey All. I%26#39;ve been looking at a lot of the forums, I have seen a bunch about different bars near the Chinese Theater in Hollywood (i.e. Lava Lounge, which appears to be closed?). We have only a few hours to go out in Hollywood (a stop-over destination between San Diego %26amp; Santa Barbara) when we get into town around 11PM. Are there one or two ';classic%26#39; Hollywood bars - something that may not have changed for generations, old wood, etc? I have heard about Formosa Cafe - but anything else? Or does that not exist (or exist elsewhere)?





    Appreciate the help!



    ';Classic'; Hollywood Traditional/Historic Bar or Tavern?


    musso and frank grill.



    ';Classic'; Hollywood Traditional/Historic Bar or Tavern?


    Musso and Frank



    Pig and Whistle



    Formosa



    Dan Tana%26#39;s (but further away from Hollywood/Highland, on the way to out of town)




    If an old-time Hollywood Bar is what you want, you can%26#39;t get more ';old Hollywood'; than the Frolic Room at 6245 Hollywood Bl -- next to the Pantages Theater. This tiny place gets packed before and after shows at the neighboring theater so visit accordingly. No old wood, though.





    Have fun!




    Thanks so much folks - this is real good stuff.




    Try the Dresden. It is one of my favorite! It has been featured in a bunch of movies including Swingers. The place opened in the early 60%26#39;s and the lounge act, Marty and Elaine have been a nightly fixture since 1982. Off the 101 Freeway, which is the one you will take to SB. Just take the 405North to the 110North to the 101North. You can email me privately if you need more info.





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    鈥itysearch.com/profile/11304824/hollywood_c鈥?/a>





    http://www.thedresden.com/




    Frolic Room is a classic and to see Marty and Elaine at Dresden is for some unexplaining, very strange reason imensly entertaining(you will know why when you are there,lol)





    You might also want to try Barney%26#39;s Beanery on Santa Monica Blvd in West Hollywood. While in the area, Formosa Cafe and Jones are right across from each other. Great old school hollywood bars




    On the same vein ,we are staying at the Elan modern and eating at Grace on Sun and Water Grill on Mon(Labour day weekend).



    Looking for recommendations for Bars -Cabaret lounge to spend a couple of hours after dinner ,either near the restaurants ,the hotel or en route back to hotel.We will be using cabs for transport.



    All suggestions appreciated.



    P.S We are a young 47-46..........lol




    firstimer, I%26#39;d start a NEW POST for your question to get the biggest impact.




    Absolutely the Frolic Room (as seen in LA Confidential, note the Hirschfeld wallpaper), %26amp; the Dresden. Also, the Coach %26amp; Horses on Sunset Blvd. is a really old bar (my husband%26#39;s late father who was an LA native born in 1914, used to go there after working at the studio). The Good Luck Bar on Hillhurst isn%26#39;t old, but the bar in it is a prop from the movie the Good Earth (Henry Fonda playing Chinese), %26amp; used to be the bar at YeeMeeLu%26#39;s (sp?) an old Chinatown bar I used to go to in the 80%26#39;s that many of us natives remember fondly (to go drinks in styrofoam cups, barflies, etc.).




    Thanks Hop Skip

    Yosemite & beyond

    Staying in Yosemite for 3 days this summer then planning to go over Tioga Pass to Mono Lake stopping some where local. From there want to make my way to Coast somewhere about Cambria, with a one night stop over on the way.





    From what I gather the most scenic route is straigth down the 395 then cutting across through Bakersfield.





    What would be the best stop over point?



    Yosemite %26amp; beyond


    I suggest you stay in Bishop or Mammoth Lakes. If you are desperate further south there is an EconoLodge at Inyokern - but that%26#39;s off the beaten track.





    If you want value, then on your way pick up one of those brochures that offer cheap motels. I found a great one that was not on the main road in Bishop - full of Europeans, very few Americans with a free breakfast. There are a few motels not on the main drag. You can eat trout at night - they are very big round there.





    Go to Galen Rowell%26#39;s art gallery in Bishop.





    Just south of Bishop to the east of 395 is the Ancient Bristlecone Pine Forest - make sure you are filled up on gas before you go. My mother thought they were dead old trees but they are some of the oldest in the world. The road is as high as Tioga Pass. Its worth a stop.





    If you stay in Mammoth, you can get off-season ski accommodation. There%26#39;s the trip to the Devil%26#39;s Postpile - basalt columns - not very spectacular and the road is narrow. Furthermore they make you pay if you have a National Park Pass - which you can buy at Yosemite.





    When you are over Tioga Pass just north of Mono Lake is Bodie an old ghost town - if you leave Yosemite early enough you might fit that in.





    Its possible to float in Mono lake - there are flies and brine shrimp round the edge but if you%26#39;ve never floated in a salt lake - Dead Sea, Salt Lake UT come to mind - you might want to try it if its hot.





    If you wanted to get away from the Sierras fast - then I%26#39;d get up early from Yosemite and get beyond Bakersfield and push on to Cambria in one day and stay there.



    Yosemite %26amp; beyond


    Severus,



    Is speed, scenery, price or something else your primary motivation?





    I am imagining that you want to cross over the sieras for 395 for scenic purposes, else why go the opposite direction of Cambria? Given this, you might look at the June Lake region for lodging though this doesn%26#39;t get you too far on your way to Cambria.





    Another great stop in Bishop includes Erik Schatt%26#39;s Bakery on the right as you are headed south at the only stop light in town.





    Have a fun holiday!




    Mammoth Lakes or June Lake Loop are a nice place to stayh for the first night (as already mentioned.)



    http://www.junelakechamber.org/





    One other option to see more beautiful scenery would be to drive to Sonoma Pass and see more of the Sierras:



    ponderosascenery.homestead.com/sonora.html



    Its about a 3 hour - 140 mile drive.



    This is a very pretty drive.



    Then drive from here to Santa Cruz - or MOnterey



    3 hours - 156 miles.



    Stay overnight here;





    Next day take the Highway 1 route from Monterey to Cambria seeing the Big Sur area.




    Thanks for the info guys.





    I have pretty much decided on staying at Mammoth Lakes and making use of the out of season ski accommodation.





    Looking for another stop over as don%26#39;t want to just rush through and see nothing but the car infront.





    Currently thinking of ambling down the 395 and stopping at Mojave(?) to see some desert or Kernville and taking in some rafting.





    Need to hit coast at Cambria and drive up Big Sur as flight home is from San Fran.





    Cheers again




    Severus-Clan,





    I%26#39;m sorry, but I don%26#39;t understand why you%26#39;re driving through Tioga Pass on Highway 120 (Tioga Road) to get to Cambria.





    When you drive through Tioga Pass, you%26#39;re driving away from the coast. You%26#39;re heading in the wrong direction.





    If you want to enjoy the coastal scenery, why do you plan to head away from the coast into the desert?




    Going over Tioga Pass as it is supposed to be a stunningly beautiful drive. Also interested in seeing Brodie Ghost Town %26amp; Mono Lake.





    I know this will add a couple of hours on to my journey to the coast but presume it is worth it.




    It is worth it if you have the time; it is a beautiful drive that offers some stunning and unusual scenery. At Mono Lake, go to the new visitor center and interpretive trail at the north end of the lake; walk out to the water%26#39;s edge to enjoy the masses of birds and read the story of the restoration of the lake.





    Mammoth Lakes is a great choice for an overnight stop. Some of the lakes have nice rustic cabins, if that is to your liking. I stayed in one at Lake Mamie years ago; it was tiny but very peaceful. Or there are lots of ski condos available right near the ski slopes.




    if you are looking to book before going - i found some nice Yosemite options on http://www.holiday-velvet.com/yosemite pretty easy to use and owners reply direct.

    Advice on where to stay in SF economically

    Hi. We(young married couple from NYC) are heading to San Francisco area in August for 3 weeks. We are going there so that we can scout the city since we are planning to move there.

    We thought about finding a sublet or a room that has access to a kitchen so that we don%26#39;t have to spend $ on food. Any suggestions?

    I also heard there are cool trendy neighborhood in Oakland area which could be more affordable.

    Bed and Breakfast places wouldn%26#39;t be too bad. The only place we are familiar with is Mission District. Help. : )

    Advice on where to stay in SF economically

    www.craigslist.org has temporary/sublets as well as long term rentals listed.

    For short term, you can also check out www.vrbo.com

    Advice on where to stay in SF economically

    Yes, do try vrbo.com (vacation rentals by owner). It would be so much more pleasant to be able to have some space and do your own meals. We always do this when we are in a city for four or more days. We find that the rent is usually less than even reasonable hotel rates.


    Click on your name above to retrieve a relevant message from you InBox.


    In Oakland, you%26#39;re probably thinking of Rockridge or Elmwood. The former is very accessible via the Rockridge BART station and the latter is a bit farther of a walk from the same station.

    There are a few other neighborhoods in Oakland that you may consider, but these are the first two that most people think of, Rockridge being the main one.


    Thank you, everyone!!!!!

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  • Right hotel in the right area

    We are a family of 4 planning to visit New York this September/October. On the way home my two sons aged 20 and 16 will be stopping off in Los Angeles for a few days on their own before we meet up with them to fly home.





    Could you recommend a hotel that would be suitable in a central and relatively safe area of LA?





    Thanks in advance.



    Right hotel in the right area


    Since they will be relying on public transit, we recommend staying in the Hollywood area. Here is a link to hotels there, listed in order of preference (first is best) based upon reviews submitted to Trip Advisor by your fellow travelers.





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    If they stay within a few blocks of the intersection of Hollywood Bl %26amp; Highland Av, they will have access to the metro rail, a number of metro buses and a tour coach company (starlinetours.com, click on LOS ANGELES on the left side of their homepage for tours departing from their Hollywood location in front of the famous Chinese Theater).





    In the above list, hotels that are near Hollywood Bl %26amp; Highland Av are in postal (zip) code 90028. Look for this code at the end of the hotel%26#39;s address.





    Good luck!





    Something to consider if you have not made your domestic air travel plans as yet. If you fly from NY to Bob Hope Airport in Burbank, California -- airport code BUR -- (rather than LAX), it will be a much more pleasant experience. The airport is 1/10th the size of LAX and is very close to Hollywood.





    Good luck!



    Right hotel in the right area


    Thanks for that.





    They will be arriving at LAX as their stop over is part of our international air fare.They will be arriving late at 22.10pm. At this time would the best thing be for them to catch a cab to their hotel in the area you have recommended and approximately how much should they expect to pay?




    I wouldn%26#39;t want my 16 year old wandering around Hollywood with his luggage at midnight...looking to check into a hotel. I%26#39;d book them into the Hilgard House Hotel in Westwood, near the UCLA campus. The public transportation here is pretty good (mostly bus connections...but the students seem to find it quite adequate)...they will be halfway between Hollywood and the Beaches, and short bus rides to major shopping centers and many attractions/museums etc. Lots of students in the area, restaurants, shops, movie theatres etc. Check with the hotel, as some might have a minimum check-in age of 21.



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    Cab from LAX runs about $35-$45, but they should get the cabbie to quote them a ';flat rate'; before they leave LAX. Better yet you could set them up with supershuttle.com before arrival. PrimeTimeShuttle is another service that%26#39;s dependable.





    Cab to Hollywood would be more in the neighborhood of $55-$60, but there is Flyaway Coach to downtown L.A. and then subway connection up to Hollywood. This route would be about $6 per person, but they might not be comfortable riding a subway late at night with much luggage, then walking to a hotel.




    A taxi would be the most direct and simplest means to get to Hollywood. The fare for all taxis is based upon mileage and waiting time (the time the taxi is waiting in traffic or at a red light).





    The ';flat fees'; referred to by the prior poster are for trips to downtown Los Angeles and points outside of the city. All other destinations are ';on the clock'; as follows:





    1. $2.65 initial charge (when you get into the taxi). This charge covers the first 1/7th of a mile.





    Since Hollywood %26amp; Highland is about 14 miles from LAX, the cost of the taxi ride would be:





    2. 14 x $2.45 (per mile charge) = $34.40





    3. Waiting time: It is unlikely that there will be much waiting time at this hour (low traffic) so, assume 5 minutes x 44 cents per minute = $2.20.





    4. A surcharge of $2.50 for all taxi rides originating from LAX





    5. An optional 15 percent tip





    Total fare: $2.65 + $34.40 + $2.20 + $2.50 + $6.25 = $48





    I don%26#39;t agree with the prior poster as far as taking Supershuttle to the hotel.for a number of reasons:





    a. The fare is $16 per person which would amount to $32 for the two of them, a modest savings given the following inconvenience:





    b. Since they will be arriving late in the evening, ';shared van services'; (like Supershuttle) are not very busy. These companies are ';on demand'; -- not scheduled !! -- which means that they don%26#39;t leave at a specific time; instead, they solicit passengers by stopping at all 8 terminals in the airport. They are allowed to circle the airport twice which means stopping as many as 16 times before they leave the airport. Then, they will begin dropping off passengers on the way to your children%26#39;s hotel. This might take the van ';out of the way'; since -- at that late hour -- the company will ';lump together'; passengers from different neighbohoods.





    At that hour, I wouldn%26#39;t want my kids driving in circles and riding all over Los Angeles just so save $16.




    Yes I think a taxi straight from LAX to the hotel will be best. I%26#39;m starting to have second thoughts about letting them go on their own in the first place although my oldest son has done alot of his own travel since he left school.




    Actually I am in a similar boat, I%26#39;m 20 from Australia also.. and I will be by myself in LA for almost a week, I am doing a contiki tour for most of it, but the first three days I haven%26#39;t got anything planned. I fly into LAX at 10am on a Friday (next month) and I wanted to stay the first two night somewhere close to Universal so I could go there on the Saturday. I went to book a hotel (a place that I had actually heard of!) but it said I have to be 21 to check-in! I couldn%26#39;t beleive it, but I guess 21 is the legal age. Can anyone suggest where I can go? I don%26#39;t want it to be too dodgy because I am by myself and I want my cab driver to know where I am going :) I don%26#39;t even mind if I have to pay extra.





    Also, what is the rule for tipping people at hotels etc.? and how do you know if you have given to less or two much for a cab etc?





    Where is somewhere close to Universal Studios that would be best for me? I also want to shop etc. and have access to do other things.





    Thanks, your help is appreciated. :)




    Hollywood should be perfectly fine for them, especially if your kids have a good head on there shoulders. They can safely walk around at night and enjoy the bustle and happenings along hollywood blvd around the hollywood/highland area




    JKE720, finding a place that accepts guests under 21 (without an adult) is hard unless you stay in a youth hostel or guest house. There are 3 in the Hollywood/West Hollywood area:





    1. USA Hostels -- Hollywood



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    This a dormitory-style property (6 or 8 people of the same gender in a room together). They have some cool benefits: free airport pickup. organized shuttles to attractions, etc.





    It%26#39;s well-located in Hollywood. Walk to the corner (which is Hollywood Bl) and turn left. Five blocks later is the corner of Hollywood Bl %26amp; Highland Av which has a metro rail that goes to Universal (4 minutes) and downtown (city center) Los Angeles. There are also lots of buses from this corner as well as a tour coach company (starline tours) that is 1/2 block west of Highland Av on Hollywood Bl (in the courtyard of the Chinese Theater). Info at STARLINETOURS.COM (click on LOS ANGELES on the left side of their homepage for tours that depart from in front of the Chinese Theater).





    2. The Secret Garden Bed %26amp;Breakfast:



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    This is a 5-room guest house (private rooms) that is ';head and shoulders'; better than the above youth hostel but you will pay more for it. It is located in a residential area of Los Angeles (west of Hollywood). To get to Universal, you%26#39;d need to walk to the corner of Sunset Bl %26amp; Fairfax Av (about 4 blocks from the guest house) and catch a bus northbound on Fairfax which would drop you at Hollywood Bl %26amp; Highland Av in about 6 minutes. Transfer to the red line metro rail as mentioned above.





    3. The Orbit Hostel in West Hollywood



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    If the Guest House is too expensive, this hostel is a little bit tamer than #1 above but it%26#39;s a little bit further from the Hollywood action. You would need to hop on a northbound bus on Fairfax Av -- adjacent to the property -- which would take you to Hollywood %26amp; Highland -- about 10 minutes, and then transfer to the red line metro rail to Universal.





    As far as tipping in hotels, if you stayed in one of the above properties, there wouldn%26#39;t be any tipping (since there isn%26#39;t one helping you with your luggage). You can leave a tip for the person who tidies up your room (if there is such a service in the guest house). A reasonable tip is between $2 and $3 per day. Leave it at the end of your stay. I always leave a note that says: THANK YOU by the money. Of course, if there is no one providing this service or they do a poor job of it, then no tip is necessary (Actually, lots of Americans don%26#39;t tip for this service but I feel it is a worthy one).





    As far as restaurant tipping, the standard tip is somewhere between 15 and 20 percent. It%26#39;s easy to calculate the tip at a restaurant because the bill (what we call ';the check';) will have the SALES TAX for the meal listed at the bottom, just above the TOTAL. Since the tax rate here is 8.25 percent of the meal cost, then if you simply double the tax figure, you%26#39;ll get an amount equal to 16.50 percent of the bill, which, is a reasonable tip amount. (Feel free to adjust this figure up or down as you see fit).





    Have a great holiday.








    That would be news to me. It is not like you rent a car. I was traveling all over the states, including Los Angeles when i was 18 and never had a problem renting a hotel room, not once.





    You are a legal adult when you turn 18, so on what reason would they not rent you a room for your vacation. As long as you have a credit card i am sure they will be fine

    stay away from whale watch in gualala

    Over priced and run down!!





    stay away from whale watch in gualala


    I think Whale Watch is a motel in Gualala.

    What is your favorite Restaurant

    What is the best place to eat in Ft. Bragg? Thanks,



    AL



    What is your favorite Restaurant


    Without a doubt, the very best dining experience in Fort Bragg is the Mendo Bistro (www.mendobistro.com) on N. Main St. The menu changes often, but always seems to offer the freshest in-season local products. Their seafood and fish dishes are sensational! Very nice wine list as well, and the ambiance is fun and different--upstairs in an open area which gives you a spacious feeling and an interesting view to the lower floor. I really enjoy everything about this place!



    What is your favorite Restaurant


    We think that the Cliffhouse is a must. We thought it was in the top two along with the Bistro. But we thought the cliffhouse had the edge because of the view, the menu and the winelist.




    Well... the Cliffhouse certainly has its fans, mostly based upon its view and nostalgia--it%26#39;s been there for a long time. Families and seniors seem to gravitate towards it. But I%26#39;d put it in the cateogry of the generic ';surf and turf'; chain restaurant type of restaurant, basic and bland, really not at all in the league of Mendo Bistro where creativity, freshness and local/seasonal products are first and foremost.




    Mendo Bistro is certainly a great place to eat. There are others as well. There is a new Italian-style restaurant called V%26#39;Canto that opened a few months ago. It is a big hit. Also Nit%26#39;s Cafe on Main Street is a local favorite. All three of these restaurants are within 3 blocks of one another. If you like Thai, Viraporn%26#39;s Thai Cafe is back in town and is delicious!





    Hope this helps.

    Trip Report with Do's and Don'ts

    First off, thank you to everyone who answered my questions and helped me with my planning of our recent San Diego trip.





    We spent three days in San Diego and then drove up to San Louis Obispo. This report will just focus on the San Diego portion. It was my hubby, myself, and my 9 year old son.





    My first Don%26#39;t is Don%26#39;t stay at the Hampton Inn San Diego/Del Mar. The hotel is clean and the staff is nice however, it is not a particularly family friendly location or hotel. The rooms are small and I found the breakfast to be so-so. When my son saw the pool, he said, ';this is not the pool!'; Yes, it was the pool. I did tons of research and picked this hotel because I thought it would be a good jumping off point for our day trips and it had free breakfast and free parking. I found that I did not like being so far away from San Diego and as a result missed doing a lot in the city. If I had to do it again, I would have stayed somewhere that we could have walked to the bay or even in Old Town where you can walk to restaurants, etc. It probably would have been about $50.00 more per night but it would have been worth it.





    Everything else is pretty much a big DO! We went to Legland on the second day of our trip and had a wonderful time. The weather was absolutly perfect and it wasn%26#39;t really crowded. My son is HUGE lego fan and loved it. I thought it was a well laid out park and a pleasure to visit. If you drive a Volvo you get front row parking!





    On our third day we did the Old Town Trolley tour starting at Old Town. This was also a DO. This was a great way to see a lot in a litte time with no worries about parking and directions.





    We got off at the Midway tour and had a great time. This was one of the highlights of our trip. We spent almost 2 hours and did not see it all. You could easily spend all day. The trolley allows you to get on and off where you like and they had extended hours for the summer.





    The next stop we got off on was a few blocks from the Del Coronado, the second Coronado stop - there are two, and ate at a little pizza place which was nice, sorry can%26#39;t remember the name.





    The last stop we got off at was Balboa Park. We went to the Railroad Museum. Balboa Park is beautiful. The railroad museum was very nice and seems to be a work in progress. If you have a train lover in your family and you can squeeze it in, this is DO.





    The next day we left San Diego and headed for Knott%26#39;s Berry Farm and then further north.





    San Diego was a beautiful city with amazing weather! We had a great time, just next time we would stay in the heart of things, not on the outskirts.



    Trip Report with Do's and Don'ts


    Thankyou for taking the time to write a report. I hope you get a chance to come back one day and stay closer in to the heart of the city. It is good for visitors to hear from another visitor that cheaper is not always better.



    Trip Report with Do's and Don'ts


    Glad you had a good time despite the hotel choice. I live in the area of the Hampton, and can%26#39;t wait to move back closer to downtown - suburbs are quite dull, and traffic is very difficult. I usually take Amtrak or the Coaster (commuter train) downtown so I don%26#39;t have to drive in the congestion. Sounds like you got to see and do quite a lot - glad you got to Balboa Park and Coronado - a couple of my personal favorites - come and see us again.




    A great reminder that as in Real Estate, Travel is also about LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION.





    Part of the beauty of the railroad museum is that it is home to a club that is constantly building and rearranging.





    Very happy you had a good time.

    Good place for breakfast

    We will be getting into Burbank tommrow morning about 8 am and after we get our bags and rental car prolly be around 9ish. Where is a good place to eat between the airport and where we are staying in Hollywood at the celbrity hotel.

    Good place for breakfast

    Go to the historic, and first, Bob%26#39;s Big Boy on Riverside in Burbank.

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  • Looking for a place to stay with inlaws

    Hi! Does anyone have any suggestions for accomadations in the Mendocino area for my immediate family--includes a 8 and 10 year old and my in laws? We stayed at Little River Inn the last 2 years and enjoyed it because our Bay side rooms had a shared balcony which allowed easy access to each other rooms. We wouldn%26#39;t mind finding a place with fireplaces and a view along with either a shared balcony or connecting rooms. Thanks for any help.



    Looking for a place to stay with inlaws


    Hello. I would highly recommend the Stanford Inn By The Sea. It is great for families, includes a yummy full breakfast in the morning, has an indoor pool, sauna, hot tub, work out room, etc. They do have rooms that have shared balcony, but no connecting doors. It is easy enough to be next to, but not on top of each other. All rooms have fireplaces and most have ocean views - but the view is more distant than Little River Inn. Other places to try - MacCallum House, Hill House Inn.



    You can get a good sampling at www.gomendo.com.





    Hope this helps!



    Looking for a place to stay with inlaws


    Hello. I would highly recommend the Stanford Inn By The Sea. It is great for families, includes a yummy full breakfast in the morning, has an indoor pool, sauna, hot tub, work out room, etc. They do have rooms that have shared balcony, but no connecting doors. It is easy enough to be next to, but not on top of each other. All rooms have fireplaces and most have ocean views - but the view is more distant than Little River Inn. Other places to try - MacCallum House, Hill House Inn.



    You can get a good sampling at www.gomendo.com.





    Hope this helps!




    Hello. I would highly recommend the Stanford Inn By The Sea. It is great for families, includes a yummy full breakfast in the morning, has an indoor pool, sauna, hot tub, work out room, etc. They do have rooms that have shared balcony, but no connecting doors. It is easy enough to be next to, but not on top of each other. All rooms have fireplaces and most have ocean views - but the view is more distant than Little River Inn. Other places to try - MacCallum House, Hill House Inn.



    You can get a good sampling at www.gomendo.com.





    Hope this helps!




    Thank you so much for your suggestions. I will check out the website. Thanks.


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  • Trip Report: Installment #5

    Here is the final installment of my May 2007 trip report. These are the final two days of my trip, May 30 %26amp; 31, and include the following:





    May 30---Hike through the Virgin River Narrows to Big Springs and back; spent night in Springdale





    May 31---Hike to Observation Point, mouth of Hidden Canyon, and Canyon Overlook; flew out of Las Vegas late at night





    The two main hikes detailed in this installment were undoubtedly two of my favorite hikes during the trip and also rank as two of my favorite hikes anywhere I have traveled in the United States. I will be leaving for Virginia and Maryland in a few hours, so feel free to make any comments or ask any questions you have during my leave. If there is something you would like me to do in addition to the reports, let me know and I will be happy to try. I plan to make a list of bests and worsts of the trip (although, there really were not many bad parts) and may also make a ranking of my Top 10 favorite hikes of the trip or something similar.





    I hope you have enjoyed reading the reports %26amp; I cannot wait to write another one next summer! It has been a very long process creating these reports (I%26#39;ve spent over 30 hours working on them) but I have also discovered some very interesting facts about the places I went that I never would have known if I had not researched them on the internet. For anyone who has kept up with all of my installments and read through each, thank you very much for taking the time to see exactly how our trip went---it was definitely an AMAZING trip!!!





    Trip report to follow...





    Sean



    Trip Report: Installment #5


    Day 10—Wednesday, May 30, 2007—Virgin River Narrows to Big Springs Hike





    Today we had planned one of the country’s most popular, scenic, and adventurous hikes: the Virgin River Narrows. We got a fairly early start after eating some breakfast at the Best Western. We drove straight to the Visitor Center where we hopped on a shuttle bus that would take us through Zion Canyon to the trailhead. The first stop on the shuttle route was the Zion Canyon Museum. The museum had been the park’s visitor center several years ago and was recreated into a museum. The route then took us on the bridge over the Virgin River. This spot is one of the most popular with photographers at sunset. The view of the setting sun painting the Watchman a brilliant orange and the surrounding an almost purple hue attracts several photographers each evening.





    As we entered the Zion Canyon Scenic Drive one of the first shuttle stops along the way was the Court of the Patriarchs Viewpoint. The Court of the Patriarchs is a collection of three peaks named after prophets Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. On the right is a peak named after a Mormon prophet, Mount Moroni, which is the red peak that partially obstructs views of Jacob. Continuing up Zion Canyon, the next main shuttle stop is Zion Lodge. Like the Grand Canyon Lodge, the Zion Lodge was designed by Gilbert Underwood during the 1920s. In 1966 the lodge was destroyed by fire but rebuilt in 100 days. On April 12, 1995 a landslide downstream from the Zion Lodge dammed the Virgin River. In only two hours, the Virgin River carved 590 feet of the only road through Zion Canyon, leaving 450 guests and employees stranded at the Zion Lodge. A temporary one-lane road was constructed within a day to allow the trapped visitors a way to exit, and by May 25 the road was reconstructed.





    Zion Lodge is also the trailhead for one of the most popular hikes in the park: Emerald Pools. The trail leads hikers to three pools, Lower, Middle, and Upper Emerald Pools. Lower Emerald Pool is in a lush alcove where twin waterfalls drop over a cliff from Middle Emerald Pool. Shallow streams cross the trail at Middle Emerald Pool, and wonderful views of Red Arch Mountain and Lady Mountain can be seen. Upper Emerald Pool is less visited but is amazingly surrounded by towering cliffs on three sides. The ease of hiking to the pools makes this trail one of the most popular trails for visitors to Zion National Park.





    Not far upriver from Zion Lodge is The Grotto. The Grotto is the trailhead for the West Rim Trail and another one of Zion’s classic hikes, Angels Landing. The West Rim Trail is deceptively easy at first but then begins to gain a fair deal of elevation. The trail then passes through the cool corridor of Refrigerator Canyon before beginning the rapid ascent to Scouts Landing up Walters Wiggles. Walters Wiggles are a series of several steep switchbacks constructed by the CCC in 1930. From Scouts Landing, a spur trail leads ½ mile along a very narrow, exposed trail to the top of Angels Landing. This section of the trail is very dangerous, and several people have fallen to their deaths while hiking along the narrow ridge. Chains are bolted into the rock most of the way up, but in some places the trail is only a few feet wide with over 1,000-foot dropoffs. The 360̊ view from Angels Landing draws thousands of hikers each year. From Scouts Landing the West Rim Trail ascends to the rim at Cabin Springs. The trail splits left and right from there. To the right (east) the trail passes through the beautiful white cliff area of Telephone Canyon. To the left (west) the trail provides spectacular views into the gorgeous Great West Canyon. The two trails eventually meet and head north to Potato Hollow and on to Lava Point, a trailhead off the less popular Kolob Terrace Road.





    After The Grotto, the shuttle stops at Weeping Rock. Here visitors can take a very short walk to Weeping Rock, a mossy alcove where a spring often pours water over the cliff. The East Rim Trail begins at Weeping Rock and passes through Echo Canyon. Hikers frequently use the East Rim Trail to gain access to Hidden Canyon and Observation Point, two of the park’s most popular trails. The trail ascends steeply to the white cliffs of the East Rim. The trail arrives at Stave Spring, where the trail leads right or left. To the right (west) are two dead ends that lead to beautiful vistas from Cable and Deertrap Mountains. To the left (east) the East Rim Trail makes its descent to the park’s East Entrance off the Zion-Mt. Carmel Highway.





    The Zion Canyon Scenic Drive then takes a detour around The Organ, a huge tower that lies below Angels Landing. Here the Virgin River makes a great bend. At the far terminus of the shuttle route is the Temple of Sinawava, trailhead for our day hike. The trail begins by traveling one mile along the flat, paved, and sandy Riverside Walk. This trail is very popular with visitors as it runs alongside the scenic Virgin River and ends at the mouth of the Virgin River Narrows. Once at the trail’s end, the river acts as the trail for further exploration of the area. It took us 20 minutes to hike the mile from Temple of Sinawava to the end of the Riverside Walk, and along the way we saw beautiful orange Columbine.





    Our destination for the day was Big Springs, located almost 5 miles up the Virgin River from the Temple of Sinawava. We began this hike around 9:00 a.m. and it was rather chilly. The water was extremely cold at first and actually gave us small foot cramps. However, our feet adjusted to the icy water and before long the sun would warm the canyon up nicely. The Narrows refers to the slot canyon carved by the North Fork of the Virgin River. The true Narrows of the Virgin River are actually located between the junction with Orderville Canyon and Big Springs. Although the section of trail between the Riverside Walk and Orderville is very narrow and deep, it is most spectacular along the stretch of river north of the Orderville junction. At its narrowest, the canyon is only 22 feet wide and 1,500 feet deep.





    One of the first sights along the trail is Mystery Falls, a large slab of sandstone where spring water from Mystery Canyon enters the Virgin River. Mystery Falls is a popular rappel sight where canyoneers ascend to explore Mystery Canyon. About a mile past the end of the Riverside Walk is the Narrows Alcove. The alcove is a beautiful rock amphitheater surrounded by an oasis of green, a favorite among photographers. As we were here early in the morning, the sun had not yet penetrated this part of the canyon. However, in some sections of the canyon the sun bounced off the canyon walls, accenting the brilliant sandstone walls. We had hiked part of the Virgin River Narrows in 2002 and had been to Narrows Alcove before. We had gone a little further upriver before turning around, so we soon entered new scenery. If we only knew what lay ½ mile past the alcove, I think we would have continued hiking that trip.





    After having hiked for two hours from the Temple of Sinawava, we arrived at the confluence of the Narrows and Orderville Canyon. This junction is a popular turn-around point for bottom-up hikers. If you take a right you will enter Orderville, and after hiking for several minutes will arrive at a small waterfall that prevents further entry into the canyon without the use of technical equipment. We did not walk up Orderville Canyon but instead decided to continue up the Virgin River Narrows. Mere minutes after leaving Orderville Canyon we clearly entered the true Narrows. The next couple of miles proved to be the most stunning of the entire hike. It is difficult to describe the experience of walking through the Narrows, truly one of the most awe-inspiring places in the world. Exploring this section of the Virgin River was likely the highlight of our entire trip.





    As we continued upriver we came to our first potential obstacle. There was a hiker standing in the river before a large rock saying that if we wanted to continue any further up the canyon we would either have to swim in rather shallow water to the left of the boulder or swim briefly through deep water to the right of the boulder. We were disappointed at the news but were determined to reach Big Springs. We slowly approached the left side and tried to find the highest ground. We hugged the cliffside and in doing so actually found a route where the water only reached waist deep. After our entire group had safely crossed, the man was still not convinced and decided to head back to Orderville.





    The next couple of miles on the way to Big Springs would be characterized by much of the same. The scenery along the way was unbelievable. The Narrows seemed to grow even more fascinating as the sun soon rose directly overhead. Still, the sun rarely shined on us as we walked along the riverbed. On the way to Big Springs, we likely encountered five rather serious obstacles, all of which we successfully traversed. Some of these were simply walking in the river where the water looked to be 5 to 6 feet deep, but we always found a route where the water only reached waist level. A few of the obstacles required climbed over trees and boulders which was at some times rather tricky and dangerous. There were several points on the trail that most people would probably never consider trying to pass. There was a hiker just in front of us who we had been talking with who climbed over a boulder and stepped down onto a supporting log. He slipped and hit a rock, but miraculously he and his equipment were fine. He did have a few scratches, but he was very fortunate.





    Hiking in the Zion Narrows can be very hazardous. A hiker can get seriously injured while maneuvering through the canyon. Sometimes there are relatively few people who enter this stretch of the river, especially if it is late in the day or during the shoulder season. Rescue from this area could take days if the hiker has no way of contacting others. However, the most serious threats of hiking in the Narrows or any other slot canyon is the risk of flash flooding. Particularly during the monsoon season from mid-July to mid-September the risk of flash flooding is high. If the NPS deems the threat of a flash flood to be high, they will often close the trail. Several visitors have died during flash floods in Zion National Park, so it is something not to be taken lightly.





    After making the slow toll past many obstacles up the Virgin River from Orderville Canyon we finally arrived at Big Springs. It had taken 4 hours, 25 minutes for us to hike up from the Temple of Sinawava and took 2 hours, 25 minutes since leaving the junction with Orderville. Once at our destination, we took many photographs and then sat down on the shore to eat some snacks. For awhile before arriving at Big Springs, the extremely narrow, deep canyon of the true Narrows had disappeared, and now we were an area where the canyon was quite wide and only a few hundred feet high. We had seen an absolutely breathtaking photograph of Big Springs on a website prior to taking the hike, and we were thrilled that we had finally made it to this beautiful spot.





    Big Springs is an lush oasis of green vegetation and cascading water. We had passed several springs along the way, but Big Springs put all others to shame. It seems to be more of a small creek than a spring. There are several waterfalls that come straight from the canyon walls and cascade over ten feet down to the Virgin River. The pure water makes the deepest water turn turquoise, and the lush greenery complements the beautiful sandstone cliffs that surrounds it. Big Springs is the farthest upriver bottom-up hikers are supposed to travel without getting a backcountry permit. We saw a couple groups of hikers coming from the north, likely making the top-down hike from Chamberlain Ranch. There were, however a few people there that were obviously bottom-up hikers like us.





    After spending 30 minutes marveling at the beauty of Big Springs, we continued back the way we had come. Most of the obstacles we passed on the way up were more easily conquered on the return trip because we already knew the best and safest route to take. Hiking down the river also proved much easier as we were now walking with rather than against the current. Now in the mid afternoon the sun cast slightly different color upon the canyon walls, and as always the scene was other-worldly. After hiking for 1 hour, 50 minutes from Big Springs we arrived again at the confluence with Orderville Canyon. Another 50 minutes later we were back at the Riverside Walk, and it only took 20 minutes to walk back to the Temple of Sinawava from there. In total, the day consisted of approximately 9.8 miles of hiking, 7.8 miles of which were through water. Including the 30 minute stop at Big Springs, the entire hike took a total of 7 hours, 55 minutes to complete. We certainly spent the better part of a day completing this hike, but honestly it ranked as one of the best days of hiking I’ve ever experienced. The Virgin River Narrows hike certainly contains some of the most humbling and stunning scenery to be found anywhere.





    Since we were actually finished with the hike at a fairly early hour, we decided we would just drive back to the Best Western RV Park and get cleaned up before going out to dinner. Unfortunately we had to make the difficult decision of whether to dine at Spotted Dog Café or Bit %26amp; Spur Saloon. Since Spotted Dog was within walking distance of our hotel, we chose to eat there. We were surprised to find that the restaurant was actually rather up-scale. Most of the menu was a bit pricy, but once we received our food we understood why. I think most of our group would agree that our meal at Spotted Dog Café was the best of the entire trip. The atmosphere was very pleasant, but I don’t recall the service to be anything spectacular. Overall, it was an awesome dinner, somewhere I would definitely eat at again. After the excellent meal at Spotted Dog, we walked back to our room and rested for the night. We had one more day in the West before flying back to Tennessee late that night. Our final day would include two more classic Zion hikes.





















    Day 11—Thursday, May 31, 2007—Observation Point Hike and Flight Home





    After one of the most incredible days of hiking on any vacation, we had only one final day in Zion National Park before flying back to Tennessee from Las Vegas late in the evening. We left the Best Western RV Park fairly early again and made sure our luggage was ready for the flight. We again drove into the park and stopped at the visitor center to take a shuttle bus into Zion Canyon.





    The shuttles run by the NPS through Zion Canyon are propane-powered, so they are a much cleaner source of transportation than most automobiles. The buses stop at nine designated stops along the way from the Zion National Park Visitor Center all the way to the Temple of Sinawava. A separate bus route takes visitors from the visitor center to the town of Springdale. Prior to the introduction of the shuttles into Zion National Park, Zion Canyon was a traffic nightmare. Along the six miles of highway through the canyon, there were only 250 parking spaces and often a few thousand cars trying to get a spot. Eventually the problem got so bad that some visitors got into violent disputes over parking spaces. As the number of visitations each year climbed to several million the NPS decided some measures had to be taken to reduce the negative impact on the park’s ecosystem.





    The new shuttle system was put in place in 2000, and thousands of automobile trips into the canyon were avoided each day. The clean propane shuttles also greatly reduced the steady decline of air quality in the park. Many national parks around the country struggle, usually unsuccessfully, to maintain a good air quality, but Zion has already eliminated this problem. Today the air in Zion National Park is among the cleanest air in the United States, an incredible fact given the number of people who visit the park each year. Zion’s shuttle system was certainly a stepping stone in the trend to find ways to be more ecologically friendly. Now several national parks, including Grand Canyon, Rocky Mountain, Glacier, and Sequoia to name a few have established their own low-energy shuttle systems in the most heavily visited areas of the parks. The shuttle system has also been vital in supporting the park’s wildlife. It is not at all rare to see deer from one of the shuttles. The shuttles have had an incredibly beneficial impact upon all aspects of Zion National Park.





    Today we wanted to do a hike that would only take a few hours. After the hike we were going to stop by the Zion Lodge to get some posters and other gifts, and afterwards we would drive up the Zion-Mt. Carmel Highway to the park’s East Entrance to see the scenery during the day before we drove to Vegas. On the bus everyone decided that they wanted to do Angels Landing, but I was not sure whether that would be a good idea for me to try just 3 months out from ACL surgery and with a slight fear of heights. I told everyone to stop at The Grotto shuttle stop so they could do the hike to Angels Landing. Meanwhile, I took the shuttle to the next stop, Weeping Rock, where I planned to hike to Observation Point solo.





    On the West Rim Trail, my brothers made it up to Scouts Landing and then took the ½ mile knife-edged trail along the ridge of Angels Landing. After climbing to Angels Landing they descended the West Rim Trail, spending about 2 ½ hours doing the hike. They then took the shuttle to Big Bend shuttle stop. From there they walked along the road to the Temple of Sinawava in order to get a close-up view of Menu Falls along the way. My parents also hiked the West Rim Trail, but neither climbed to the top of Angels Landing. My mother stop at Scouts Landing and descended. My father continued up the West Rim Trail approximately another mile to get a view of Walters Wiggles, Angels Landing, and the Great White Throne together.





    As they were doing this, I blazed the trail up to Observation Point. I was on the other side of the canyon on the East Rim Trail. The first mile of the trail was a constant steep climb up a series of numerous switchbacks up to the junction with Hidden Canyon. It took me 15 minutes to hike this first mile that gained several hundred feet. The views along this section were breathtaking. To the north the destination for the day could be seen high above the canyon: Observation Point. Looking back to the west toward the Weeping Rock shuttle stop I could see the white cliffs of the West Rim above the huge monolith Angels Landing. Below Angels Landing was The Organ, and the distinct bend in the Virgin River could be seen as it made its way around both Angels Landing and The Organ. After the mile of hiking, the East Rim Trail continues to the left while the spur trail to Hidden Canyon heads off to the right (south).





    Not far from the trail junction the trail enters Lower Echo Canyon. This early in the morning the sandstone cliffs were illuminated red. The first part of Echo Canyon the slot is actually to the left of the trail and drops down dozens of feet. Then a shallower section of the canyon appears. At 1 ½ miles into the hike the trail enters Middle Echo Canyon. Here hikers can walk right up to the mouth of the slot canyon and walk a few feet back before having to turn around due to a large obstacle. Meanwhile, the trail ascends to the left and hugs the left canyon wall while the slot canyon drops dozens of feet off to the right. This section does not have any chains, but I never felt uncomfortable here. It was definitely a nice dropoffs into the slot canyon to the right, but the trail was fairly wide. Plus, the scenery was just amazing. The sun also made the canyon shine in a mysteriously beautiful way. Already this trail was well worth its difficulty as Echo Canyon is one of the most scenic slot canyons in the area.





    Once exiting Middle Echo Canyon, the trail opened up to fantastic views of the white cliffs of the East Rim. The trail continued to ascend and more of the remote East Rim country was revealed. At 2 miles into the hike the trail split. The East Rim Trail continued right and ascends to the canyons rim a few miles away. From there popular hikes to Cable and Deertrap Mountains are accessible. To the left the 2-mile spur trail to Observation Point ascends rather steeply but with amazing views along the way. Looking back to the west the view now included some of the West Rim as well as the profile of huge Great White Throne. The Great White Throne rises 2,400 feet above the canyon floor and is one of the most famous landmarks in Zion National Park. W.H.W. Evans was the first to attempt an ascent of the Great White Throne on June 27, 1927. On the way down he fell and nearly died. During the rescue process Hidden Canyon was discovered and the next year the East Rim Trail to Hidden Canyon was constructed. The Great White Throne’s name came from a Methodist minister who thought the monolith was magnificent enough to represent the throne of God.





    The trail continued to ascend up steep switchbacks with ever increasingly beautiful views of the remote East Rim. The trail at times was cut into rock and was not very wide. At points it was only a few feet wide, but generally the dropoffs were not significant and the trail was sloped inward toward the cliffside. Also, the trail was all a smooth slab of rock, so it was almost like walking on a paved path. The trail made its final ascent to the rim after an impressive “Z” switchback carved right into the cliffside. Once on the rim, the trail actually descended for a short distance and was nearly flat from there to Observation Point. Along the ridge I could see Observation Point, but it was still nearly a mile away. The trail was open nearly the entire way with incredible views to the south and west of the main Zion Canyon. The views just continued to get more exceptional as I neared Observation Point.





    Less than ½ mile before reaching Observation Point the trail met with the East Mesa Trail. The East Mesa Trail is a way for people to easily access Observation Point. The trailhead begins on a road past Ponderosa Ranch Resort and is very short and easy. This area of the trail was scattered with sagebrush and other southwestern vegetation. Not far from the trail junction the trail entered into a fabulous display of wildflowers. There were thousands of white primrose that had just bloomed alongside the trail. Shades of red, pinks, white, and yellow wildflowers dotted the high plateau while the greenery of sagebrush and other vegetation complemented the scene. There were also many short fire-scorched trees through this section of the trail, so it made for a beautiful sight of both life and death on the East Rim.





    Not far from the great wildflower display the trail finally reached Observation Point. Before reaching the point itself, small overlooks to the right of the trail looked down over 2,000 feet to the mouth of the Virgin River Narrows and the Temple of Sinawava. Above that were the white cliffs of Telephone Canyon, accessible via the West Rim Trail. Far off to the northwest I could see the mesas of the Upper Kolob Plateau that run alongside the Kolob Terrace Road. I then continued on to Observation Point where I took dozens of pictures and relaxed. There were many people at the point when I arrived, and most sounded British. I immediately found the geological survey marker at the top and sat beside it. The trail that ascends 2,100 feet over dozens of switchbacks had only taken me 1 hour, 40 minutes and I managed to stop only once along the way for a quick rest.





    The view from Observation Point was one of the most scenic views I have seen anywhere. Although the plateau on which Observation Point is located prevents it from having a complete 360 degree view, the sights it does include are spectacular. Clockwise from left (east) to right (northwest) the view includes the following: The East Rim including Cable Mountain, the Great White Throne, Red Arch Mountain, and the Watchman; the view down the canyon includes The Organ almost directly beneath, Angels Landing which looks small from this vantage point over 500 feet higher, the river’s bend, and stretches all the way down to Springdale; and the West Rim including Cathedral Mountain, Castle Dome, the Three Patriarchs, and Telephone Canyon. Along with the view from Yosemite’s Sentinel Dome and Glacier Point, Sequoia’s Moro Rock, and Grand Canyon’s Cape Royal and Point Imperial, Zion’s Observation Point was one of the most spectacular vistas anywhere during our trip.





    After spending 15 minutes taking in the gorgeous view from Observation Point, I made the descent of the East Rim Trail. Obviously the trail was much easier on the lungs but not on the knees. Still, I made a rapid descent and never had an issue with my ACL. After hiking down three miles from Observation Point to the junction with the Hidden Canyon Trail in 1 hour, 15 minutes I decided I had time to take the Hidden Canyon Trail before taking the shuttle to Zion Lodge where I would meet my family. The Hidden Canyon Trail ascends very steeply immediately up a series of switchbacks. Then the trail becomes exposed at only a few feet wide with a good deal of exposure. On some parts the trail has a chain to aid hikers. The trail also ascends some stairs along the way to the mouth of the canyon. After hiking approximately ½ mile to what I assumed was the canyon’s mouth, I had enough and decided to turn around. There were good views of Observation Point and the Great White Throne along the way, but Hidden Canyon did not look even as interesting as Echo Canyon which was much more easily accessible.





    After spending 25 minutes hiking up and down the Hidden Canyon Trail, I arrived back at the trail junction and hiked the last mile down to the Weeping Rock shuttle stop in 15 minutes. In total the hike gained over 2,100 feet, was just over 9 miles long, and took me 3 hours, 35 minutes of hiking time to complete, so I averaged just over 2 ½ miles/hour on one of the park’s most strenuous trails. That wasn’t too bad for having had ACL surgery just 3 months earlier. Overall, the trail to Observation Point was one of the most enjoyable of the entire trip. The beautiful red, water-sculpted cliffs of Middle Echo Canyon, the unobstructed views along the entire hike, the gorgeous wildflower display, and the magnificent vista from Observation Point made this hike one of my favorites in any of the national parks.





    After completing the hike, I took the shuttle back to Zion Lodge and was actually finished before my parents arrived after their 4-6 mile hike up the West Rim Trail. We met and bought some ice cream and gifts while we waited for my brothers to return from their walk up Zion Canyon Scenic Drive to look at Menu Falls. Menu Falls is so-named because a picture of it was put on the cover of the first Zion Lodge dining menu. The actual waterfall is not very large, but the thought is quite impressive. The water that feeds Menu Falls come from a spring inside the walls of Zion Canyon. Sandstone is somewhat porous, so rainwater can be absorbed into the rock and make its way down through the rock over hundreds of years. The water that comes from Menu Falls fell on the East Rim approximately 4,000 years ago and ever since has made its slow journey through the rock to eventually join the Virgin River.





    After we all met up at Zion Lodge and bought some final gifts, we took the shuttle back to the visitor center. At the visitor center we all used the water pumps to wash off our dirty feet and legs, and we changed in the bathroom so we would be decent on the flight home. After we all got cleaned up, we took the Zion-Mt. Carmel Highway up to the Checkerboard Mesa Overlook. Checkerboard Mesa is a mass slickrock mountain with crossbedded layers of etches on its north face. The lines cross each other perpendicularly so it looks like a checkerboard. It was named in 1938 by a park superintendent, and before that time it was called Rock Candy Mountain.





    After stopping briefly at the overlook we turned around and headed back down the highway. Off to the left (south) of the road we saw several desert bighorn sheep and took some pictures of them. After that we continued to the upper end of the Zion-Mt. Carmel Tunnel where we parked to take the short trail to Canyon Overlook. The entire hike is one mile long with an elevation gain of 163 feet, but it seems to gain almost all of its elevation up the first minutes of the hike. Below the trail is a slot canyon formed by Pine Creek. Pine Creek slot canyon is a very popular rappel area and makes its way all the way down to Zion Canyon. The trail continues on to a beautiful alcove lined with maidenhair fern. It then traverses through slickrock hoodoos and off to the left hikers can see the small windows of the Zion-Mt. Carmel Tunnel can be seen. After ½ mile of easy walking, the trail ends at the overlook.





    The Canyon Overlook is located directly above the Great Arch, viewable from further down the Zion-Mt. Carmel Highway. The view from the overlook includes, from left to right, West Temple, Bridge Mountain, Sundial, Altar of Sacrifice, Beehives, Stained Wall, and East Temple. Below Pine Creek is visible making its way toward the main canyon. From the overlook dozens of sparrows were zooming through the sky at very fast speeds and not at all far above us. By the time we were at the overlook it was already mid-afternoon, and the sun was not well suited for taking photographs. The scene was still amazing, however. After spending some time at our last hiking destination of the trip, we hiked back to our car. We had to wait for an escort of an RV to make its way up through the tunnel before we could make our way down to Springdale.





    We made one last stop on the way out of the park to take some photos of the entrance sign and the beautiful peaks of the East Rim. We then drove to St. George and took I-15 south to Las Vegas. We decided to eat dinner at Chili’s but first pulled into the parking lot and made sure all of our luggage was ready to be taken to the airport and the rental car was in fine shape. We had a nice dinner as usual at Chili’s and then drove to McCarran International Airport. After dropping off our rental car and taking care of all of the necessary routines before flying, we sat in the terminal for nearly an hour before our flight, which took off around 11:30 p.m. PST. The flight back was nothing exiting as it was all in the dark, but we hit very little turbulence at all. As we flew through Tennessee the sky began to brighten as the sun rose. We could see a blanket of fog over the entire land. Although our plane took off from Vegas nearly 20 minutes late, we managed to arrive in Knoxville 15 minutes early. After getting our luggage we hopped in our car and drove back home. The sun was a dull red circle through the mist, and we realized we had finally met our first cloudy day.





    In summary, our western trip to seven western national parks in California, Arizona, and Utah was definitely one of the most memorable trips yet taken. Everyone hiked over 60 miles of trails during the trip, and in doing so we saw some spectacular scenery that can only be seen on foot. Not a single drop of rain fell the entire trip, and there was hardly a cloud in the sky some days. I enjoyed every moment of the trip and know that each place I went is somewhere I would readily visit again. The American national parks provide visitors with a rare opportunity to escape from the hustle-bustle of everyday life and get in touch with the natural world. Vacations such as these when the major emphasis is forming such a connection through sightseeing and hiking are something I look forward to each year. Our May 2007 trip definitely did not disappoint as it included some of the most stunning locations in the United States.