Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Trip Report: Installment #5

Here is the final installment of my May 2007 trip report. These are the final two days of my trip, May 30 %26amp; 31, and include the following:





May 30---Hike through the Virgin River Narrows to Big Springs and back; spent night in Springdale





May 31---Hike to Observation Point, mouth of Hidden Canyon, and Canyon Overlook; flew out of Las Vegas late at night





The two main hikes detailed in this installment were undoubtedly two of my favorite hikes during the trip and also rank as two of my favorite hikes anywhere I have traveled in the United States. I will be leaving for Virginia and Maryland in a few hours, so feel free to make any comments or ask any questions you have during my leave. If there is something you would like me to do in addition to the reports, let me know and I will be happy to try. I plan to make a list of bests and worsts of the trip (although, there really were not many bad parts) and may also make a ranking of my Top 10 favorite hikes of the trip or something similar.





I hope you have enjoyed reading the reports %26amp; I cannot wait to write another one next summer! It has been a very long process creating these reports (I%26#39;ve spent over 30 hours working on them) but I have also discovered some very interesting facts about the places I went that I never would have known if I had not researched them on the internet. For anyone who has kept up with all of my installments and read through each, thank you very much for taking the time to see exactly how our trip went---it was definitely an AMAZING trip!!!





Trip report to follow...





Sean



Trip Report: Installment #5


Day 10—Wednesday, May 30, 2007—Virgin River Narrows to Big Springs Hike





Today we had planned one of the country’s most popular, scenic, and adventurous hikes: the Virgin River Narrows. We got a fairly early start after eating some breakfast at the Best Western. We drove straight to the Visitor Center where we hopped on a shuttle bus that would take us through Zion Canyon to the trailhead. The first stop on the shuttle route was the Zion Canyon Museum. The museum had been the park’s visitor center several years ago and was recreated into a museum. The route then took us on the bridge over the Virgin River. This spot is one of the most popular with photographers at sunset. The view of the setting sun painting the Watchman a brilliant orange and the surrounding an almost purple hue attracts several photographers each evening.





As we entered the Zion Canyon Scenic Drive one of the first shuttle stops along the way was the Court of the Patriarchs Viewpoint. The Court of the Patriarchs is a collection of three peaks named after prophets Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. On the right is a peak named after a Mormon prophet, Mount Moroni, which is the red peak that partially obstructs views of Jacob. Continuing up Zion Canyon, the next main shuttle stop is Zion Lodge. Like the Grand Canyon Lodge, the Zion Lodge was designed by Gilbert Underwood during the 1920s. In 1966 the lodge was destroyed by fire but rebuilt in 100 days. On April 12, 1995 a landslide downstream from the Zion Lodge dammed the Virgin River. In only two hours, the Virgin River carved 590 feet of the only road through Zion Canyon, leaving 450 guests and employees stranded at the Zion Lodge. A temporary one-lane road was constructed within a day to allow the trapped visitors a way to exit, and by May 25 the road was reconstructed.





Zion Lodge is also the trailhead for one of the most popular hikes in the park: Emerald Pools. The trail leads hikers to three pools, Lower, Middle, and Upper Emerald Pools. Lower Emerald Pool is in a lush alcove where twin waterfalls drop over a cliff from Middle Emerald Pool. Shallow streams cross the trail at Middle Emerald Pool, and wonderful views of Red Arch Mountain and Lady Mountain can be seen. Upper Emerald Pool is less visited but is amazingly surrounded by towering cliffs on three sides. The ease of hiking to the pools makes this trail one of the most popular trails for visitors to Zion National Park.





Not far upriver from Zion Lodge is The Grotto. The Grotto is the trailhead for the West Rim Trail and another one of Zion’s classic hikes, Angels Landing. The West Rim Trail is deceptively easy at first but then begins to gain a fair deal of elevation. The trail then passes through the cool corridor of Refrigerator Canyon before beginning the rapid ascent to Scouts Landing up Walters Wiggles. Walters Wiggles are a series of several steep switchbacks constructed by the CCC in 1930. From Scouts Landing, a spur trail leads ½ mile along a very narrow, exposed trail to the top of Angels Landing. This section of the trail is very dangerous, and several people have fallen to their deaths while hiking along the narrow ridge. Chains are bolted into the rock most of the way up, but in some places the trail is only a few feet wide with over 1,000-foot dropoffs. The 360̊ view from Angels Landing draws thousands of hikers each year. From Scouts Landing the West Rim Trail ascends to the rim at Cabin Springs. The trail splits left and right from there. To the right (east) the trail passes through the beautiful white cliff area of Telephone Canyon. To the left (west) the trail provides spectacular views into the gorgeous Great West Canyon. The two trails eventually meet and head north to Potato Hollow and on to Lava Point, a trailhead off the less popular Kolob Terrace Road.





After The Grotto, the shuttle stops at Weeping Rock. Here visitors can take a very short walk to Weeping Rock, a mossy alcove where a spring often pours water over the cliff. The East Rim Trail begins at Weeping Rock and passes through Echo Canyon. Hikers frequently use the East Rim Trail to gain access to Hidden Canyon and Observation Point, two of the park’s most popular trails. The trail ascends steeply to the white cliffs of the East Rim. The trail arrives at Stave Spring, where the trail leads right or left. To the right (west) are two dead ends that lead to beautiful vistas from Cable and Deertrap Mountains. To the left (east) the East Rim Trail makes its descent to the park’s East Entrance off the Zion-Mt. Carmel Highway.





The Zion Canyon Scenic Drive then takes a detour around The Organ, a huge tower that lies below Angels Landing. Here the Virgin River makes a great bend. At the far terminus of the shuttle route is the Temple of Sinawava, trailhead for our day hike. The trail begins by traveling one mile along the flat, paved, and sandy Riverside Walk. This trail is very popular with visitors as it runs alongside the scenic Virgin River and ends at the mouth of the Virgin River Narrows. Once at the trail’s end, the river acts as the trail for further exploration of the area. It took us 20 minutes to hike the mile from Temple of Sinawava to the end of the Riverside Walk, and along the way we saw beautiful orange Columbine.





Our destination for the day was Big Springs, located almost 5 miles up the Virgin River from the Temple of Sinawava. We began this hike around 9:00 a.m. and it was rather chilly. The water was extremely cold at first and actually gave us small foot cramps. However, our feet adjusted to the icy water and before long the sun would warm the canyon up nicely. The Narrows refers to the slot canyon carved by the North Fork of the Virgin River. The true Narrows of the Virgin River are actually located between the junction with Orderville Canyon and Big Springs. Although the section of trail between the Riverside Walk and Orderville is very narrow and deep, it is most spectacular along the stretch of river north of the Orderville junction. At its narrowest, the canyon is only 22 feet wide and 1,500 feet deep.





One of the first sights along the trail is Mystery Falls, a large slab of sandstone where spring water from Mystery Canyon enters the Virgin River. Mystery Falls is a popular rappel sight where canyoneers ascend to explore Mystery Canyon. About a mile past the end of the Riverside Walk is the Narrows Alcove. The alcove is a beautiful rock amphitheater surrounded by an oasis of green, a favorite among photographers. As we were here early in the morning, the sun had not yet penetrated this part of the canyon. However, in some sections of the canyon the sun bounced off the canyon walls, accenting the brilliant sandstone walls. We had hiked part of the Virgin River Narrows in 2002 and had been to Narrows Alcove before. We had gone a little further upriver before turning around, so we soon entered new scenery. If we only knew what lay ½ mile past the alcove, I think we would have continued hiking that trip.





After having hiked for two hours from the Temple of Sinawava, we arrived at the confluence of the Narrows and Orderville Canyon. This junction is a popular turn-around point for bottom-up hikers. If you take a right you will enter Orderville, and after hiking for several minutes will arrive at a small waterfall that prevents further entry into the canyon without the use of technical equipment. We did not walk up Orderville Canyon but instead decided to continue up the Virgin River Narrows. Mere minutes after leaving Orderville Canyon we clearly entered the true Narrows. The next couple of miles proved to be the most stunning of the entire hike. It is difficult to describe the experience of walking through the Narrows, truly one of the most awe-inspiring places in the world. Exploring this section of the Virgin River was likely the highlight of our entire trip.





As we continued upriver we came to our first potential obstacle. There was a hiker standing in the river before a large rock saying that if we wanted to continue any further up the canyon we would either have to swim in rather shallow water to the left of the boulder or swim briefly through deep water to the right of the boulder. We were disappointed at the news but were determined to reach Big Springs. We slowly approached the left side and tried to find the highest ground. We hugged the cliffside and in doing so actually found a route where the water only reached waist deep. After our entire group had safely crossed, the man was still not convinced and decided to head back to Orderville.





The next couple of miles on the way to Big Springs would be characterized by much of the same. The scenery along the way was unbelievable. The Narrows seemed to grow even more fascinating as the sun soon rose directly overhead. Still, the sun rarely shined on us as we walked along the riverbed. On the way to Big Springs, we likely encountered five rather serious obstacles, all of which we successfully traversed. Some of these were simply walking in the river where the water looked to be 5 to 6 feet deep, but we always found a route where the water only reached waist level. A few of the obstacles required climbed over trees and boulders which was at some times rather tricky and dangerous. There were several points on the trail that most people would probably never consider trying to pass. There was a hiker just in front of us who we had been talking with who climbed over a boulder and stepped down onto a supporting log. He slipped and hit a rock, but miraculously he and his equipment were fine. He did have a few scratches, but he was very fortunate.





Hiking in the Zion Narrows can be very hazardous. A hiker can get seriously injured while maneuvering through the canyon. Sometimes there are relatively few people who enter this stretch of the river, especially if it is late in the day or during the shoulder season. Rescue from this area could take days if the hiker has no way of contacting others. However, the most serious threats of hiking in the Narrows or any other slot canyon is the risk of flash flooding. Particularly during the monsoon season from mid-July to mid-September the risk of flash flooding is high. If the NPS deems the threat of a flash flood to be high, they will often close the trail. Several visitors have died during flash floods in Zion National Park, so it is something not to be taken lightly.





After making the slow toll past many obstacles up the Virgin River from Orderville Canyon we finally arrived at Big Springs. It had taken 4 hours, 25 minutes for us to hike up from the Temple of Sinawava and took 2 hours, 25 minutes since leaving the junction with Orderville. Once at our destination, we took many photographs and then sat down on the shore to eat some snacks. For awhile before arriving at Big Springs, the extremely narrow, deep canyon of the true Narrows had disappeared, and now we were an area where the canyon was quite wide and only a few hundred feet high. We had seen an absolutely breathtaking photograph of Big Springs on a website prior to taking the hike, and we were thrilled that we had finally made it to this beautiful spot.





Big Springs is an lush oasis of green vegetation and cascading water. We had passed several springs along the way, but Big Springs put all others to shame. It seems to be more of a small creek than a spring. There are several waterfalls that come straight from the canyon walls and cascade over ten feet down to the Virgin River. The pure water makes the deepest water turn turquoise, and the lush greenery complements the beautiful sandstone cliffs that surrounds it. Big Springs is the farthest upriver bottom-up hikers are supposed to travel without getting a backcountry permit. We saw a couple groups of hikers coming from the north, likely making the top-down hike from Chamberlain Ranch. There were, however a few people there that were obviously bottom-up hikers like us.





After spending 30 minutes marveling at the beauty of Big Springs, we continued back the way we had come. Most of the obstacles we passed on the way up were more easily conquered on the return trip because we already knew the best and safest route to take. Hiking down the river also proved much easier as we were now walking with rather than against the current. Now in the mid afternoon the sun cast slightly different color upon the canyon walls, and as always the scene was other-worldly. After hiking for 1 hour, 50 minutes from Big Springs we arrived again at the confluence with Orderville Canyon. Another 50 minutes later we were back at the Riverside Walk, and it only took 20 minutes to walk back to the Temple of Sinawava from there. In total, the day consisted of approximately 9.8 miles of hiking, 7.8 miles of which were through water. Including the 30 minute stop at Big Springs, the entire hike took a total of 7 hours, 55 minutes to complete. We certainly spent the better part of a day completing this hike, but honestly it ranked as one of the best days of hiking I’ve ever experienced. The Virgin River Narrows hike certainly contains some of the most humbling and stunning scenery to be found anywhere.





Since we were actually finished with the hike at a fairly early hour, we decided we would just drive back to the Best Western RV Park and get cleaned up before going out to dinner. Unfortunately we had to make the difficult decision of whether to dine at Spotted Dog Café or Bit %26amp; Spur Saloon. Since Spotted Dog was within walking distance of our hotel, we chose to eat there. We were surprised to find that the restaurant was actually rather up-scale. Most of the menu was a bit pricy, but once we received our food we understood why. I think most of our group would agree that our meal at Spotted Dog Café was the best of the entire trip. The atmosphere was very pleasant, but I don’t recall the service to be anything spectacular. Overall, it was an awesome dinner, somewhere I would definitely eat at again. After the excellent meal at Spotted Dog, we walked back to our room and rested for the night. We had one more day in the West before flying back to Tennessee late that night. Our final day would include two more classic Zion hikes.





















Day 11—Thursday, May 31, 2007—Observation Point Hike and Flight Home





After one of the most incredible days of hiking on any vacation, we had only one final day in Zion National Park before flying back to Tennessee from Las Vegas late in the evening. We left the Best Western RV Park fairly early again and made sure our luggage was ready for the flight. We again drove into the park and stopped at the visitor center to take a shuttle bus into Zion Canyon.





The shuttles run by the NPS through Zion Canyon are propane-powered, so they are a much cleaner source of transportation than most automobiles. The buses stop at nine designated stops along the way from the Zion National Park Visitor Center all the way to the Temple of Sinawava. A separate bus route takes visitors from the visitor center to the town of Springdale. Prior to the introduction of the shuttles into Zion National Park, Zion Canyon was a traffic nightmare. Along the six miles of highway through the canyon, there were only 250 parking spaces and often a few thousand cars trying to get a spot. Eventually the problem got so bad that some visitors got into violent disputes over parking spaces. As the number of visitations each year climbed to several million the NPS decided some measures had to be taken to reduce the negative impact on the park’s ecosystem.





The new shuttle system was put in place in 2000, and thousands of automobile trips into the canyon were avoided each day. The clean propane shuttles also greatly reduced the steady decline of air quality in the park. Many national parks around the country struggle, usually unsuccessfully, to maintain a good air quality, but Zion has already eliminated this problem. Today the air in Zion National Park is among the cleanest air in the United States, an incredible fact given the number of people who visit the park each year. Zion’s shuttle system was certainly a stepping stone in the trend to find ways to be more ecologically friendly. Now several national parks, including Grand Canyon, Rocky Mountain, Glacier, and Sequoia to name a few have established their own low-energy shuttle systems in the most heavily visited areas of the parks. The shuttle system has also been vital in supporting the park’s wildlife. It is not at all rare to see deer from one of the shuttles. The shuttles have had an incredibly beneficial impact upon all aspects of Zion National Park.





Today we wanted to do a hike that would only take a few hours. After the hike we were going to stop by the Zion Lodge to get some posters and other gifts, and afterwards we would drive up the Zion-Mt. Carmel Highway to the park’s East Entrance to see the scenery during the day before we drove to Vegas. On the bus everyone decided that they wanted to do Angels Landing, but I was not sure whether that would be a good idea for me to try just 3 months out from ACL surgery and with a slight fear of heights. I told everyone to stop at The Grotto shuttle stop so they could do the hike to Angels Landing. Meanwhile, I took the shuttle to the next stop, Weeping Rock, where I planned to hike to Observation Point solo.





On the West Rim Trail, my brothers made it up to Scouts Landing and then took the ½ mile knife-edged trail along the ridge of Angels Landing. After climbing to Angels Landing they descended the West Rim Trail, spending about 2 ½ hours doing the hike. They then took the shuttle to Big Bend shuttle stop. From there they walked along the road to the Temple of Sinawava in order to get a close-up view of Menu Falls along the way. My parents also hiked the West Rim Trail, but neither climbed to the top of Angels Landing. My mother stop at Scouts Landing and descended. My father continued up the West Rim Trail approximately another mile to get a view of Walters Wiggles, Angels Landing, and the Great White Throne together.





As they were doing this, I blazed the trail up to Observation Point. I was on the other side of the canyon on the East Rim Trail. The first mile of the trail was a constant steep climb up a series of numerous switchbacks up to the junction with Hidden Canyon. It took me 15 minutes to hike this first mile that gained several hundred feet. The views along this section were breathtaking. To the north the destination for the day could be seen high above the canyon: Observation Point. Looking back to the west toward the Weeping Rock shuttle stop I could see the white cliffs of the West Rim above the huge monolith Angels Landing. Below Angels Landing was The Organ, and the distinct bend in the Virgin River could be seen as it made its way around both Angels Landing and The Organ. After the mile of hiking, the East Rim Trail continues to the left while the spur trail to Hidden Canyon heads off to the right (south).





Not far from the trail junction the trail enters Lower Echo Canyon. This early in the morning the sandstone cliffs were illuminated red. The first part of Echo Canyon the slot is actually to the left of the trail and drops down dozens of feet. Then a shallower section of the canyon appears. At 1 ½ miles into the hike the trail enters Middle Echo Canyon. Here hikers can walk right up to the mouth of the slot canyon and walk a few feet back before having to turn around due to a large obstacle. Meanwhile, the trail ascends to the left and hugs the left canyon wall while the slot canyon drops dozens of feet off to the right. This section does not have any chains, but I never felt uncomfortable here. It was definitely a nice dropoffs into the slot canyon to the right, but the trail was fairly wide. Plus, the scenery was just amazing. The sun also made the canyon shine in a mysteriously beautiful way. Already this trail was well worth its difficulty as Echo Canyon is one of the most scenic slot canyons in the area.





Once exiting Middle Echo Canyon, the trail opened up to fantastic views of the white cliffs of the East Rim. The trail continued to ascend and more of the remote East Rim country was revealed. At 2 miles into the hike the trail split. The East Rim Trail continued right and ascends to the canyons rim a few miles away. From there popular hikes to Cable and Deertrap Mountains are accessible. To the left the 2-mile spur trail to Observation Point ascends rather steeply but with amazing views along the way. Looking back to the west the view now included some of the West Rim as well as the profile of huge Great White Throne. The Great White Throne rises 2,400 feet above the canyon floor and is one of the most famous landmarks in Zion National Park. W.H.W. Evans was the first to attempt an ascent of the Great White Throne on June 27, 1927. On the way down he fell and nearly died. During the rescue process Hidden Canyon was discovered and the next year the East Rim Trail to Hidden Canyon was constructed. The Great White Throne’s name came from a Methodist minister who thought the monolith was magnificent enough to represent the throne of God.





The trail continued to ascend up steep switchbacks with ever increasingly beautiful views of the remote East Rim. The trail at times was cut into rock and was not very wide. At points it was only a few feet wide, but generally the dropoffs were not significant and the trail was sloped inward toward the cliffside. Also, the trail was all a smooth slab of rock, so it was almost like walking on a paved path. The trail made its final ascent to the rim after an impressive “Z” switchback carved right into the cliffside. Once on the rim, the trail actually descended for a short distance and was nearly flat from there to Observation Point. Along the ridge I could see Observation Point, but it was still nearly a mile away. The trail was open nearly the entire way with incredible views to the south and west of the main Zion Canyon. The views just continued to get more exceptional as I neared Observation Point.





Less than ½ mile before reaching Observation Point the trail met with the East Mesa Trail. The East Mesa Trail is a way for people to easily access Observation Point. The trailhead begins on a road past Ponderosa Ranch Resort and is very short and easy. This area of the trail was scattered with sagebrush and other southwestern vegetation. Not far from the trail junction the trail entered into a fabulous display of wildflowers. There were thousands of white primrose that had just bloomed alongside the trail. Shades of red, pinks, white, and yellow wildflowers dotted the high plateau while the greenery of sagebrush and other vegetation complemented the scene. There were also many short fire-scorched trees through this section of the trail, so it made for a beautiful sight of both life and death on the East Rim.





Not far from the great wildflower display the trail finally reached Observation Point. Before reaching the point itself, small overlooks to the right of the trail looked down over 2,000 feet to the mouth of the Virgin River Narrows and the Temple of Sinawava. Above that were the white cliffs of Telephone Canyon, accessible via the West Rim Trail. Far off to the northwest I could see the mesas of the Upper Kolob Plateau that run alongside the Kolob Terrace Road. I then continued on to Observation Point where I took dozens of pictures and relaxed. There were many people at the point when I arrived, and most sounded British. I immediately found the geological survey marker at the top and sat beside it. The trail that ascends 2,100 feet over dozens of switchbacks had only taken me 1 hour, 40 minutes and I managed to stop only once along the way for a quick rest.





The view from Observation Point was one of the most scenic views I have seen anywhere. Although the plateau on which Observation Point is located prevents it from having a complete 360 degree view, the sights it does include are spectacular. Clockwise from left (east) to right (northwest) the view includes the following: The East Rim including Cable Mountain, the Great White Throne, Red Arch Mountain, and the Watchman; the view down the canyon includes The Organ almost directly beneath, Angels Landing which looks small from this vantage point over 500 feet higher, the river’s bend, and stretches all the way down to Springdale; and the West Rim including Cathedral Mountain, Castle Dome, the Three Patriarchs, and Telephone Canyon. Along with the view from Yosemite’s Sentinel Dome and Glacier Point, Sequoia’s Moro Rock, and Grand Canyon’s Cape Royal and Point Imperial, Zion’s Observation Point was one of the most spectacular vistas anywhere during our trip.





After spending 15 minutes taking in the gorgeous view from Observation Point, I made the descent of the East Rim Trail. Obviously the trail was much easier on the lungs but not on the knees. Still, I made a rapid descent and never had an issue with my ACL. After hiking down three miles from Observation Point to the junction with the Hidden Canyon Trail in 1 hour, 15 minutes I decided I had time to take the Hidden Canyon Trail before taking the shuttle to Zion Lodge where I would meet my family. The Hidden Canyon Trail ascends very steeply immediately up a series of switchbacks. Then the trail becomes exposed at only a few feet wide with a good deal of exposure. On some parts the trail has a chain to aid hikers. The trail also ascends some stairs along the way to the mouth of the canyon. After hiking approximately ½ mile to what I assumed was the canyon’s mouth, I had enough and decided to turn around. There were good views of Observation Point and the Great White Throne along the way, but Hidden Canyon did not look even as interesting as Echo Canyon which was much more easily accessible.





After spending 25 minutes hiking up and down the Hidden Canyon Trail, I arrived back at the trail junction and hiked the last mile down to the Weeping Rock shuttle stop in 15 minutes. In total the hike gained over 2,100 feet, was just over 9 miles long, and took me 3 hours, 35 minutes of hiking time to complete, so I averaged just over 2 ½ miles/hour on one of the park’s most strenuous trails. That wasn’t too bad for having had ACL surgery just 3 months earlier. Overall, the trail to Observation Point was one of the most enjoyable of the entire trip. The beautiful red, water-sculpted cliffs of Middle Echo Canyon, the unobstructed views along the entire hike, the gorgeous wildflower display, and the magnificent vista from Observation Point made this hike one of my favorites in any of the national parks.





After completing the hike, I took the shuttle back to Zion Lodge and was actually finished before my parents arrived after their 4-6 mile hike up the West Rim Trail. We met and bought some ice cream and gifts while we waited for my brothers to return from their walk up Zion Canyon Scenic Drive to look at Menu Falls. Menu Falls is so-named because a picture of it was put on the cover of the first Zion Lodge dining menu. The actual waterfall is not very large, but the thought is quite impressive. The water that feeds Menu Falls come from a spring inside the walls of Zion Canyon. Sandstone is somewhat porous, so rainwater can be absorbed into the rock and make its way down through the rock over hundreds of years. The water that comes from Menu Falls fell on the East Rim approximately 4,000 years ago and ever since has made its slow journey through the rock to eventually join the Virgin River.





After we all met up at Zion Lodge and bought some final gifts, we took the shuttle back to the visitor center. At the visitor center we all used the water pumps to wash off our dirty feet and legs, and we changed in the bathroom so we would be decent on the flight home. After we all got cleaned up, we took the Zion-Mt. Carmel Highway up to the Checkerboard Mesa Overlook. Checkerboard Mesa is a mass slickrock mountain with crossbedded layers of etches on its north face. The lines cross each other perpendicularly so it looks like a checkerboard. It was named in 1938 by a park superintendent, and before that time it was called Rock Candy Mountain.





After stopping briefly at the overlook we turned around and headed back down the highway. Off to the left (south) of the road we saw several desert bighorn sheep and took some pictures of them. After that we continued to the upper end of the Zion-Mt. Carmel Tunnel where we parked to take the short trail to Canyon Overlook. The entire hike is one mile long with an elevation gain of 163 feet, but it seems to gain almost all of its elevation up the first minutes of the hike. Below the trail is a slot canyon formed by Pine Creek. Pine Creek slot canyon is a very popular rappel area and makes its way all the way down to Zion Canyon. The trail continues on to a beautiful alcove lined with maidenhair fern. It then traverses through slickrock hoodoos and off to the left hikers can see the small windows of the Zion-Mt. Carmel Tunnel can be seen. After ½ mile of easy walking, the trail ends at the overlook.





The Canyon Overlook is located directly above the Great Arch, viewable from further down the Zion-Mt. Carmel Highway. The view from the overlook includes, from left to right, West Temple, Bridge Mountain, Sundial, Altar of Sacrifice, Beehives, Stained Wall, and East Temple. Below Pine Creek is visible making its way toward the main canyon. From the overlook dozens of sparrows were zooming through the sky at very fast speeds and not at all far above us. By the time we were at the overlook it was already mid-afternoon, and the sun was not well suited for taking photographs. The scene was still amazing, however. After spending some time at our last hiking destination of the trip, we hiked back to our car. We had to wait for an escort of an RV to make its way up through the tunnel before we could make our way down to Springdale.





We made one last stop on the way out of the park to take some photos of the entrance sign and the beautiful peaks of the East Rim. We then drove to St. George and took I-15 south to Las Vegas. We decided to eat dinner at Chili’s but first pulled into the parking lot and made sure all of our luggage was ready to be taken to the airport and the rental car was in fine shape. We had a nice dinner as usual at Chili’s and then drove to McCarran International Airport. After dropping off our rental car and taking care of all of the necessary routines before flying, we sat in the terminal for nearly an hour before our flight, which took off around 11:30 p.m. PST. The flight back was nothing exiting as it was all in the dark, but we hit very little turbulence at all. As we flew through Tennessee the sky began to brighten as the sun rose. We could see a blanket of fog over the entire land. Although our plane took off from Vegas nearly 20 minutes late, we managed to arrive in Knoxville 15 minutes early. After getting our luggage we hopped in our car and drove back home. The sun was a dull red circle through the mist, and we realized we had finally met our first cloudy day.





In summary, our western trip to seven western national parks in California, Arizona, and Utah was definitely one of the most memorable trips yet taken. Everyone hiked over 60 miles of trails during the trip, and in doing so we saw some spectacular scenery that can only be seen on foot. Not a single drop of rain fell the entire trip, and there was hardly a cloud in the sky some days. I enjoyed every moment of the trip and know that each place I went is somewhere I would readily visit again. The American national parks provide visitors with a rare opportunity to escape from the hustle-bustle of everyday life and get in touch with the natural world. Vacations such as these when the major emphasis is forming such a connection through sightseeing and hiking are something I look forward to each year. Our May 2007 trip definitely did not disappoint as it included some of the most stunning locations in the United States.

SF Area to stay w/ 2 kids?

I have read several forums about the three good areas to stay in SF for walking and site seeing and just taking in the beauty of the city(we are thinking of not renting a car, only for a day or to take a trip to Redwoods, etc) We have 2 boys ages 10 and 12. Which area would be more fun and interesting - Fisherman%26#39;s Warf, Union Square or Embarcadero? Any hotel recommendations? We%26#39;d like to make this a trip to remember - splurge a bit. It%26#39;s been years since my husband and I have been up to SF. The kids have never seen the city. I%26#39;ve taken notes from this site%26#39;s forums - lots of great suggestions for spending time in SF with kids - Alcatraz, Exploratorium, Academy of Science, etc. However, what is the Segway tour? It was mentioned but not defined . Any suggestions and input is appreciated. My boys also love music (play guitar, sax, base) Is there a music venu that%26#39;s appropriate for kids? FYI - We%26#39;ll be up late August.

Thanks!

SF Area to stay w/ 2 kids?

For the moment, I%26#39;ll just address two of the things you mentioned that you were interested in. The Calif. Academy of Sciences is still at its temporary home at 875 Howard, while the new Golden Gate Park campus is being built.

http://www.calacademy.org/

Of course, the Howard site is not as extensive as the full facility, but they were able to relocate a lot of exhibits and also create some new ones.

875 Howard is near 5th St. two blocks south of Market. You can walk there from the Powell St. cable turnaround or any public transit stop at Market and Powell, 4th, or 5th.

The Segway is a battery-powered human transporter that you stand on and maneuver by body motion. Here is their website.

http://www.sfelectrictour.com/index.html

I have not been on a Segway, but they have a very highly respected endorsement; when the Mormon Tabernacle Choir was here two years ago, some members took the tour on a free day and reportedly had a fabulous time!

SF Area to stay w/ 2 kids?

I think, for kids 10 %26amp; 12 that Fisherman%26#39;s Wharf might be more fun. Yes, it%26#39;s touristy, but it%26#39;s still fun for kids. The Argonaut has a nautical theme and gets good marks. Also the Holiday Inn Express, seems to get repeat business from some of our travelers.

As for music venues apprppriate for kids... I%26#39;m at a loss here. At first I thought there might be some cool opportunities at the Blue Bear School of Music, but it looks like their showcases already ended in June and they are in the middle of their ten-week class cycle. The next one isn%26#39;t until September. Just in case you%26#39;re curious about Blue Bear, which is intended to teach kids how to play popular music, I%26#39;ll post the link:

www.bluebear.org

It%26#39;s over at Fort Mason, which is also by the water, and an interesting place to explore and isn%26#39;t too far from Fisherman%26#39;s Wharf.


We just got back from a trip to SF with 2 kids. We stayed at Fishermans Wharf - the Tuscan Inn. It was a very good location - close by almost everything. There%26#39;s a grocery store right across the street for snacks. I also highly recommend the Alcatraz tour.


Having also stayed in SF with my then 10 yr old son I would also go for Fisherman%26#39;s Wharf. He%26#39;s 12 now and still talking about Alcatraz!

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  • Trip Report: Installment #4

    My 4th installment will include May 28, 2007 and May 29, 2007. Here is an overview of what is covered:





    May 28---St. George, UT to Grand Canyon North Rim. Stopped at Pipe Spring NM. Drove to Cape Royal and Point Imperial. Hiked a few short trails. Spent night in Mt. Carmel Junction, UT.





    May 29---Mt. Carmel Junction, UT to Bryce Canyon National Park. Drove scenic road. Hiked Navajo-Queens Garden Loop. Hiked Willis Creek slot canyon in Grand Staircase/Escalante NM. Hiked to Shakespeare Arch in Kodachrome Basin SP. Spent night in Springdale, UT.





    There will only be one more installment of my trip report. It will cover the last two days of my trip, both of which were primarily aimed toward hiking in Zion National Park.





    Trip report to follow...





    Sean



    Trip Report: Installment #4


    Day 8—Monday, May 28, 2007—North Rim of Grand Canyon National Park





    After the fairly long drive the previous day, we were up and leaving the Hampton Inn at 8:10 a.m. MST. From Saint George we took UT 59 from Hurricane southeast to the Utah/Arizona border. Once in Arizona, we were on AZ 389. This drive is very scenic with the beautiful sights of the Vermillion Cliffs to the north. We decided to take a short stop at Pipe Spring National Monument along the way.





    Pipe Spring is characterized by Native American and Mormon pioneer history. “For 12,000 years the Arizona Strip was a travel corridor for nomadic big games hunters, hunter-gatherers, and traders, the first people to be sustained by these springs. Ancestral Puebloan peoples were the next to settle in the area, followed by related Southern Paiute tribes.” The Native American tribes such as the Paiute continued to lived in this area until the early twentieth century. In 1907 the Kaibab Paiute Indian Reservation was established. The area was first settled in the 1860s by Mormon pioneers who brought their cattle. By 1872 Winsor Castle was constructed above a spring that was in the area, and a cattle ranching operation was begun.





    In 1923, Pipe Spring was preserved as a national monument. A half mile trail takes visitors throughout the area which includes two corrals, a garden, two ponds, the West and East Cabins, an orchard, a chicken coup, and Winsor Castle. The ponds were dug in the 1870s to hold water from Pipe Spring, and they were used to water livestock and irrigate the garden. Water from the ponds still are used in the garden. There is also a ½ mile Ridge Trail that gives visitors great views of Mount Trumbull, the Arizona Strip, the Kaibab Plateau, Kanab Canyon, and the Vermillion Cliffs. We took the short trail around the site itself and saw countless rabbits along the way. They were literally everywhere we looked. We also saw several lizards of exceptional sizes. We did not take the time to tour Winsor Castle with a ranger, but just walking through the site was neat.





    After spending nearly an hour at Pipe Spring National Monument, we were on our way to the North Rim. Once we arrived in Fredonia, we took Highway 89-A southeast to Jacob Lake. From there we traveled south up the Kaibab Plateau to the Grand Canyon’s North Rim. The Kaibab Plateau is much different than its surroundings. The area is heavily forested in aspen, ponderosa pine, spruce-fir, and pinon-juniper in contrast to the desert landscape found in the neighboring areas. During the winter over 200 inches of snow can fall on the plateau. Often the North Rim of Grand Canyon National Park is not open until May. We had been to the Grand Canyon’s South Rim on two occasions in the past, but the North Rim was an entirely new experience. The beautiful forest that characterizes the Kaibab Plateau was definitely not the case on the South Rim.





    After entering the parks North Entrance we decided we would first drive to the visitor center and lodge. We were amazed at how much less crowded the North Rim was than the South Rim. After parking at the lodge, we walked the short ½ mile paved trail along the rim to Bright Angel Point. The trail to Bright Angel Point ends at one of the most incredible views on either rim of the Grand Canyon. Along the way there are sheer dropoffs on either side of the trail, but it is generally very wide. In a few spots where it gets a bit narrower, there are railings for protection. Several visitors die each year at the Grand Canyon from crossing railings or simply getting too close to the edge. While we were there, there was a man climbing up a rock out of the canyon several yards from one of the railings. His wife or girlfriend was ridiculing him for his unintelligent feat.





    The Grand Canyon is one of the Earth’s greatest natural wonders. The Grand Canyon was one of the United States’ last charted territories, and little was known about it until after the American Civil War. In 1869 John Wesley Powell made the first recorded journey through the Grand Canyon on the Colorado River. He began the trip with four small, wooden boats and nine men, but only six finished the journey. However, the Anasazi Indians and other tribes had called the Grand Canyon home for hundred of years even prior to the arrival of the first Europeans to the American Southwest. In 1540 Spanish explorer and conquistador Coronado and his men arrived on the canyon’s South Rim. After Coronado’s brief visit to the canyon whose rocks were “bigger than the great tower of Seville,” it was two hundred years before another European set eyes on the Grand Canyon.





    Yet, the most impressive notion about the Grand Canyon is the mind-blowing eons that have past in shaping the canyon walls. Nowhere else on the planet can such a massive span of time be witnessed in one sweeping view. The Colorado River basin is an estimated 40 million years old, and the Grand Canyon itself has been found to be some five to six million years old. The youngest rock found in the canyon is the Kaibab Limestone on the North Rim at 230 million years old. The oldest rock is the Vishnu Schist found deep in the canyon at 2 billion years old. About 65 million years ago the Colorado Plateau began experiencing an uplift that would rise 5,000 to 10,000 feet high. The uplift cause the Colorado River to run more steeply through the canyon. This led to the river running more rapidly, and thus cutting deeper into the canyon.





    The view of Bright Angel Canyon and down toward Roaring Springs is incredible from Bright Angel Point. Compared to the South Rim’s views, views from the North Rim seem to be closer to the formations themselves. At the South Rim, you can see very far and wide, but all of the huge bluffs are clear across the canyon. At the North Rim, the bluffs are much closer, so you get a different feel for the canyon. Having said that, none of us were as impressed with the Grand Canyon from Bright Angel Point as we were from the South Rim. This opinion would change as the day went on.





    After taking the nice trail to Bright Angel Point and back, we went inside the Grand Canyon Lodge. The Grand Canyon Lodge was constructed in 1927-1928 and was made up of the main lodge, 100 standard cabins, and 20 deluxe cabins. The lodge was destroyed by a fire but soon rebuilt by Gilbert Underwood. It is very rustic and made of limestone and timber, both of which complement the North Rim’s nature beauty. Today the lodge is registered as a National Historic Landmark. The dining room is very spacious and provides excellent views of the canyon. The viewing room contains leather couches where visitors can relax and take in the view. Two other dining options at the lodge include the Deli in the Pines and the Rough Rider Saloon.





    After we toured through the beautiful lodge, we walked back to our car and headed off to the North Kaibab Trailhead. The North Kaibab Trail is the only trail that descends into the canyon from the North Rim. Inside the canyon at the Colorado River, the North Kaibab Trail meets the South Kaibab and Bright Angel Trails that descend from the South Rim. All three meet at Phantom Ranch, destination of thousands of Rim-to-River or Rim-to-Rim hikers each year. From the North Kaibab Trailhead to the Colorado River, the trail drops an incredible 5,800 feet in 14 miles. A Rim-to-Rim hike is likely a goal of any serious hiker, for conquering the Grand Canyon on foot is truly a life-altering experience. Many Rim-to-Rim hikers choose to begin at the North Rim and hike to the South Rim because the North Rim is at a much higher elevation than the South Rim. Thus, they take the less strenuous hike out of the canyon and descend the more difficult. Just less than five miles into the hike, hikers arrive at Roaring Springs. Just two miles further they reach Cottonwood Camp, a popular destination for the night for those who would rather take two days to climb or descend between the North Rim and Phantom Ranch.





    With only one day devoted to the Grand Canyon’s North Rim, we had no plans to attempt Rim-to-River hike or even a hike to Roaring Springs and back for that matter. We opted for a much easier route, a short hike to Coconino Overlook and back. The first part of the hike was characterized by few views through beautiful aspen, fir, and pine forest. Coconino Overlook is only ¾ miles from the North Kaibab Trailhead and drops in elevation 500 feet. Although this is fairly steep, it did seem to be a rather gradual descent and ascent, and really was not at all difficult. It took us 20 minutes to hike down to Coconino Overlook. We then spent about 20 minutes taking in the view.





    The overlook is situated on top of a large slab of Coconino Sandstone and has great views into Roaring Springs Canyon. The canyon is beautifully painted red, and the lush green of the forest accents the canyon walls. It is definitely a much different scene than from the South Rim. We could spot several hikers below in the canyon near Supai Tunnel, a popular half-day hike from the North Rim. Most people who want to take a day hike on the North Kaibab Trail will take the ten mile roundtrip hike to Roaring Springs and back. The NPS strongly recommends not to continue past the springs for a day hike. There were several lizards along the sandstone at the overlook. We took some time marveling at the canyon and eating some snacks, and then we made our ascent.





    Just a couple minutes after departing Coconino Overlook I spotted a deer off the trail. We watched the deer as it made its way down through the forest into the canyon. In total, there were five deer we saw in the same area, and to my knowledge we were the only hikers to see them. Despite spending five minutes watching the deer, we still managed to climb back to trailhead in 20 minutes, the same amount of time it took for us to descend. It was fairly hot hiking the trail, but it was nice to know that we were not further in the canyon where the temperature can be over 30 degrees warming than at the canyon’s rim.





    Once back in our car, we again drove back to the Grand Canyon Lodge. We debated for awhile whether we should eat at the Deli in the Pines or at the lodge’s dining room. I had heard the deli was a good dining option, but we chose to eat at the dining room instead. We found out that our waitress was from an area of Virginia we knew very well and was working in the park for the summer. In fact, it looked like most of the waiters and waitresses were college students in the park for a summer job. The meal was nothing spectacular, but it was a nice change from the average trail food we had been used to eating.





    After having lunch at the Grand Canyon Lodge, we decided to drive 23 miles to Cape Royal, one of the two scenic paved drives at the North Rim. The Cape Royal Scenic Drive follows the eastern edge of the Walhalla Plateau, visible from Bright Angel Point. The drive is very scenic as it goes through the forest and past Greenland Lake. The road is a bit windy at times, but it is not at all an exposed drive. We decided to pass all the overlooks and head straight for Cape Royal. Once there, we took the short trail to Angels Window and to Cape Royal itself.





    The trail to both Angels Window and Cape Royal is paved and only 0.8 miles roundtrip. Nearly from the start you can see Angels Window from the trail. Angels Window is a huge arch through which you can view the canyon and the Colorado River. The trail actually leads to the top of the arch, and there are railings along the entire top. However, you still need to take care up here because there have been reported deaths from people who have fallen of Angels Window. The view in all directions from the top of Angels Window was stunning. Over 5,000 feet below we could see the blue water of the Colorado River churning beneath bright red cliffs.





    We then walked the short distance out to Cape Royal. The view from Cape Royal is just as good as any view on the South Rim in my opinion. The view into the inner canyon and the many buttes and temples within it is amazing. You can see far off to the east toward the Painted Desert, southeast to Freya Castle, south to Vishnu Temple and the beautiful San Francisco Peaks that are over 50 miles away near Flagstaff, and southwest to Wotans Throne. Meanwhile, looking straight across the canyon we could spot the Desert View Watchtower as well as cars on the South Rim. The view to the west was very beautiful, but the sunlight made it very difficult to get any acceptable photos.





    After spending about 30 minutes walking around the trails from Cape Royal we decided to head back along the Cape Royal Scenic Drive. We bypassed the trail to Cape Final because we didn’t feel we had enough time. Cape Final gives great views of the canyon and surrounding area to the east. We did, however, stop at Point Roosevelt and took a ¼ mile roundtrip trail for some nice views. This point was named after President Theodore Roosevelt who declared Grand Canyon a national park in 1919. There were some great views to be found into the eastern canyon and the confluence of the Little Colorado River. After taking that short break we continued up to a nice overlook at Vista Encantada, meaning Enchanted View in Spanish. This overlook provided great views to the beautiful Painted Desert to the east. It was amazing to see how much higher the Kaibab Plateau really is above the surrounding area. There were also great views of Brady Peak, Mount Hayden, and Point Imperial from Vista Encantada. When we walked back to the car we saw a cow eating at a picnic table—open range indeed!





    After visiting what we wanted to on Cape Royal Scenic Drive, we took the Point Imperial Scenic Drive 3 miles to Point Imperial. I absolutely loved the view from Point Imperial. The view may not be as comprehensive as Cape Royal or the overlooks on the South Rim, but the color and buttes here were extremely impressive. Point Imperial lies at an elevation of 8,803 feet and provides an awesome view to the Painted Desert to the east. Point Imperial is actually the highest point anywhere in the Grand Canyon and lies an amazing 6,600 feet above the Colorado River. The showpiece of Point Imperial is Mount Hayden. Looking to the northeast from Point Imperial, you can actually see into Marble Canyon back to the Lee’s Ferry area. We were at Point Imperial in the late afternoon, probably around 6:30 p.m. PST and the sun casting shadows on the canyon was beautiful. Point Imperial does make a wonderful place viewing the sun hitting the eastern desert and canyon at sunset, but it is most popular at sunrise. The white cap of Mount Hayden contrasted with the red rock at its base and the lush greenery on its slopes make it one of the most awe-inspiring views on either rim. In my opinion. Cape Royal and Point Imperial alone are more impressive than the overlooks on the South Rim.





    After spending some time marveling at the incredible view at Point Imperial, we had to exit the park. We drove back through the beautiful forests and meadows of the Kaibab Plateau and on to Jacob Lake. The sun was setting as we on 89A from Jacob Lake to Fredonia. By the time we arrived in Fredonia it was twilight, and we decided that since there are very few options for dining in Mount Carmel Junction, we would stop for dinner at Kanab, Utah. We crossed the border back into Utah and also back into Mountain Standard Time. I had found some restaurants in Kanab that sounded nice in researching for the trip, but we decided to pick a restaurant that was right off of the highway. We saw Nedra’s Mexican Restaurant and thought we would give it a try. This restaurant probably had the least southwestern feel to it of any Mexican restaurant I have been to. Not only that, but there was a fair deal of paper trash underneath most of the tables. To top it off, we were seated and it took 15 minutes for our waitress to come. She said that she thought another waitress was supposed to take care of us. We were rather frustrated, but we accepted her mistake. The salsa was not bad at all, and it took an average amount of time for the food to be prepared. The food was by no means extraordinary, but it is hard to go wrong with Mexican food either. Overall the dining experience was fair, and I doubt that I would ever eat at Nedra’s again if I was in Kanab.





    By the time we left Nedra’s it was completely dark, and we still had a short drive to get to our destination for the night at Mount Carmel Junction. We arrived at the Best Western East Zion Thunderbird Lodge after 10:00 p.m. Apparently there was an argument between the manager and an employee who wanted to leave work early with her boyfriend. The sheriff was on the scene so everything was under control, but it wasn’t the most welcoming of experiences. We had reserved two rooms for the night, one room with a king and one room with two queens. The bedrooms were very nice and spacious. The multiple reinforcements on the sliding glass doors made us wonder how safe the area was. From what we could defer, Mount Carmel Junction is little more than a rest area for the night for travelers, and from what we later gathered, it truly is little more than a junction. We got to bed at a decent hour after an extremely long day that included some awesome views of one of the world’s most spectacular natural wonders. Tomorrow would hold just as much excitement.

















    Day 9—Tuesday, May 29, 2007—Bryce Canyon National Park and Grand Staircase/Escalante





    We checked out of our room early in the morning and then drove over to the Thunderbird Restaurant. The East Zion Thunderbird has a virtual monopoly in Mount Carmel Junction, but we were actually surprised that more people were not eating breakfast at the time, but maybe it was a little early for some. The prices for breakfast were fairly reasonable, and everyone enjoyed what they ordered. I had a sweet role, and it was awesome. I thought that would be a good way to get some carbs in me before hiking during the day. By the time we had finished breakfast and were on our way it was 8:35 a.m. MST.





    We then drove to Bryce Canyon National Park, approximately 60 miles away from Mt. Carmel Junction. After entering the park, we immediately drove the scenic drive to Ponderosa Canyon and then backtracked from there. The view from Ponderosa Point was nice, but it is mainly used by hikers to join the Under-the-Rim Trail. The next stop along the way was Agua Canyon. The colorful rocks from Agua Canyon Overlook were very beautiful, and we could see the plateaus and canyons off to the east. In fact, we were peering into Grand Staircase/Escalante National Monument and the area that Scenic Byway 12 traverses along the way.





    Our next stop on the scenic drive was Natural Bridge. This bridge is one of the most photographed features of Bryce Canyon National Park aside from the amphitheater. It is actually not a bridge but an arch, formed by rain and frost eroding the rock away. There are actually six other arches located in Bryce Canyon, but this is the largest. The deep red of the arch’s rock complements the lush green of the surrounding ponderosa pine. The arch was formed by the processes of frost wedging, dissolution, and gravity. Frost wedging occurs when water gets into cracks in the rock, freezes and expands, and then weakens the rock. Dissolution occurs when chemicals in rainwater eats away at the sides and top of the rock. Finally, gravity pulled the weakened center of the rock and left behind the hole visitors see today.





    Our last stop before arriving at Bryce Amphitheater was at Farview Point. From here you can see far to the Grand Staircase to the east. From north to south views include the Pink, Grey, and White Cliffs and even part of the Kaibab Plateau near the Grand Canyon is visible. The air quality here is among the best in the entire United States. On some days it is possible to see over 150 miles away. Not only is the air quality great, but the sky is absolutely gorgeous. Unlike the hazy blue-grey sky characteristic of much of the eastern United States, southern Utah’s skies are usually an unbelievably deep blue which is even more dramatic when contrasted with the brilliant oranges of Bryce Canyon.





    We then drove back to the main amphitheater and first drove to Paria View. Paria View is one of few places in Bryce Canyon that photographers love because its cliffs and hoodoos actually face the setting sun. Looking down the canyon, you can see the watershed of the Paria River, a river characterized by beautiful slot canyons. Some visitors also come to Paria View to watch for peregrine falcons who are occasionally seen from the overlook. After taking the short trail at Paria View we drove just a couple miles over to Bryce Point, one of the best views in the park of the awesome Bryce Amphitheater.





    Bryce Amphitheater was created over millions of years of sedimentation, uplift, and erosion. The formations in Bryce are part of the Grand Staircase that extends through a huge portion of the immediate region. The oldest of the rocks can be found at the Grand Canyon while those found in Zion National Park are younger. Bryce contains the youngest rock units in the Grand Staircase. After the uplift that created the Grand Staircase slowed down, erosion began to eat away at the sediments deposited at Bryce. Eventually after thousands of years, the softer rock eroded away leaving the harder rocks behind as fins. As water in cracks of the rock freezes, parts of the fins break away leaving behind hoodoos. Bryce Amphitheater is an incredible display of thousands of fins and hoodoos of amazing color and drama.





    After stopping for pictures at Bryce Point, we briefly got out at Inspiration Point before heading to Sunset Point. We decided that we would take a hike into Bryce Amphitheater that begins at Sunset Point. Although we had been to Bryce Canyon National Park twice in the past, the only hike we ever did was the Navajo Loop Trail. However, in May 2006 a massive rockslide closed the Navajo Trail. The following is an excerpt taken from a NPS news release:





    “On Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 5:00pm on the Wall Street section of the Navajo Loop Trail there was a significant rock fall. While there were people on the trail at this time, no one was injured. The rock debris covers an area roughly 60 feet long, 15 feet deep and 15 feet wide. There is approximately 400-500 tons of rock in this area. The rocks range in size, the largest being the dimensions of a midsized car. The trail will remain closed at this site to ensure visitor safety as we develop a plan to reopen the trail, complete environmental compliance, and obtain funding. It is projected that work to clear the rock fall debris will start in the spring of 2007. If deemed safe the park plans to open both sides of the trail up to the rock fall, so visitors will be able to view the rock fall and the large spruce tree in Wall Street.”





    Near the trailhead for the Navajo Trail, there was a barrier on the trail to the right (west) warning people that the trail was closed for maintenance. From the barrier we could look down into Wall Street, a beautiful narrow section of the canyon where Douglas firs and a spruce tree grow in an incredible display. Since the western half of the Navajo Loop Trail was closed, we had to take the eastern half of the trail. This portion of the trail travels beside two of the most well-known formations in Bryce: Thor’s Hammer and the Sentinel. Soon the trail begins to descend steeply along numerous switchbacks down to the canyon floor. There are several firs in this section, and the early morning sunlight painted the walls a bright orange. Coupled with the incredibly deep blue sky above, the scene was gorgeous. Once down in the canyon, a sign pointed to Two Bridges. These are two short bridges located within feet of each other between two canyon walls only six feet apart.





    Not far past Two Bridges was the trail junction with the Peekaboo and Queens Garden Trails. To the right was another barricade warning hikers about the rock slide ahead. However, this barricade simply read that the trail was a dead end ¼ mile ahead. We wanted to see what the rockslide looked like and were not on an extremely tight schedule, so we decided to go ahead and make the ½ mile roundtrip trek to the rockslide site and back. Once at the rockslide area, there was another barricade and tape warning hikers not to enter the slide area. It noted that there were radar devices behind the barriers that would notify park personnel if someone entered the restricted area. The fine for doing so was very steep as well. The rockslide was absolutely huge, and one of the rocks was definitely the size of a small sized car. At that time of the day, the sun made the canyon and slide area glow an incredible orange. Meanwhile, the sky was still a brilliant blue. After taking some shots of the rockslide, we went back the way we came.





    As we made our way back to the trail junction we could look ahead to the west and see the faint appearance of white smoke above Inspiration Point. This smoke would become very thick throughout the region later in the day. The fire, known as the King Creek Fire, was ignited on May 17 by lightning. Fire managers decided to manage the fire as a Wildland Fire Use (WFU) fire. This meant that firefighters would manage the fire within a certain boundary to achieve management objectives. Many local communities began to worry if the situation had gotten out of control when large levels of smoke spread throughout the area to the east.





    Once back at the trail junction we chose to take the Queens Garden Trail. The first part of the trail was very flat as we were now on the canyon floor. During this part of the hike the views were not incredible, but the vegetation made for a nice scene. After about a mile of walking on the canyon floor we arrived at Queens Garden. Queens Garden is a spectacular scene of white and orange hoodoos as well as trees. The hoodoos are very tall here, and this area is one of the most photographed in the park below the rim. From Queens Garden you can view the hoodoo referred to as Queen Victoria. If you look up from the viewpoint, there are several hoodoos with white caps. The one on the left is Queen Victoria, and the white section of the hoodoo makes up the outline of her figure. It is a remarkable resemblance of the queen in a dress and hat.





    After looking at the beautiful scene around Queens Garden, we were back on the trail. The trail passes through two or three tunnels along the way that serve as nice frames to photograph. The Queens Garden Trail then began its ascent, though not nearly as steeply as the Navajo Trail. The views all the way from Queens Garden to Sunrise Point are amazing. We could soon look off to the north and see the area that the Fairyland Loop Trail travels through. Once we got to Sunrise Point, we waited for about 10 minutes to allow the rest of the group to catch up. Once we were all back, we took the Rim Trail ½ mile back to our car at Sunset Point, completing the entire Navajo-Queens Garden loop counterclockwise. In all the hike was 3.4 miles, descended then climbed 521 feet, and took us 1 ½ hours to complete.





    Once we were finished with the hike, we drove to the Bryce Canyon Lodge and Bryce Canyon Visitor Center to purchase some gifts. After that, we drove over to Ruby’s Inn and had lunch at nearby Ruby Canyon Diner. The diner was more of a fast-food joint than a diner. The food was decent, the prices were reasonable, and we were generally pleased with our lunch. We were actually looking for something quick and cheap for lunch, so the Ruby Canyon Diner actually worked well for us. After eating diner, we headed over to Highway 12 toward Tropic. When we arrived in Cannonville, we stopped by the Grand Staircase/Escalante National Monument Visitor Center. We inquired about the smoke from the King Creek Fire, and although they did not have any details they figured the day’s strong winds had possibly cause the fire to get a bit out of control. However, our main purpose in stopping at the visitor center was to get directions to and information about the Willis Creek hike. We were given a printout of how to get to the trailhead and information about the hike from the helpful rangers. However, we still had difficulty finding the way to get to the trailhead due to some questionable mileage reports on the park’s handout for Willis Creek. We actually ended up driving for a few minutes on a narrow, sandy road that led us nowhere and which was difficult to turn around from. The first 3 miles of the route was paved, but once we got on Skutumpah Road toward Bull Valley Gorge, the road was unpaved and sandy.





    In case anyone here is considering taking the Willis Creek slot canyon hike, here are directions that I think are probably more accurate and detailed than what the park service will give you. I posted these directions in a previous thread, so I am just copying and pasting them again. These directions are coming from the west. “As you head west on Highway 12 from the road to Bryce, you will pass through the town of Tropic. A few miles past Tropic will be the town of Cannonville. Look for a sign (I believe it is brown) on the right side of the road that directs you toward Kodachrome Basin State Park (it won%26#39;t be too hard to miss). You are now on Cottonwood Road (400) and it is paved. Travel about 3 miles south on this paved road. You will see a small sign to the right that says Sheep Creek and a few other places. Just past this sign on the right is another sign that says ';Bull Valley Gorge'; and ';Kanab.'; You will want to take this road. It is Skutumpah Road (500) and is unpaved. Be sure to only take this road if it is dry. About six miles down the road, you will see a much narrower road that goes off to the right. A mile further (so seven miles from the turnoff---you may want to set your odometer when you get onto Skutumpah Road) there will be a large parking area off to the right side of the road. There will likely be many cars there as well, and maybe even people with a tent. Park here to begin. Near some trees you will see a registration box. Write your information here. To begin the hike, you will want to walk across the road. You will see a small creek (possibly dry when you are there) right beside the parking area. You will want to walk downstream (you will see some interesting canyon formations shortly) for the hike.” The park service said that it was 6 miles exactly from the turn onto Skutumpah Road to the parking area, so when it hit 6 we were at the road that we thought we needed. According to our odometer, the actual parking area is 7 miles from the turnoff, so just be aware that the information may be incorrect.





    When we arrived at the parking area there was a large group of people having what appeared to be a family reunion under a tent at the parking area. We signed our names in the registration box and then began walking downstream. Shortly a shallow canyon area with slickrock appeared. A small creek was running through the canyon with a small 3-foot waterfall. We descended to the creekbed and initially there were only short mounds on either side of the trail. The creek was running slowly through the trail for the first ¾ miles or so. It didn’t take long before we entered into the first section of slot canyon. A slot canyon is a narrow canyon shaped by running water. Slot canyons are usually very deep and not very wide, formed of sandstone or limestone, and can be flash flooding hazards. There are countless slot canyons located on the Colorado Plateau, primarily in the Grand Staircase area.





    The trail along Willis Creek entered four slot canyon sections along the way to the junction with Sheep Creek. Some periods the slot canyon would last for a couple minutes and then enter into an area with only moderately steep creekbeds. There is no question that the Willis Creek slot canyons are incredibly photogenic, especially in the early morning, midday, or late afternoon. This was only the second slot canyon we had ever been in—the first having been the Virgin River Narrows in Zion National Park. While not as deep as the Narrows, Willis Creek slot was still very impressive and well worthwhile. The experience of hiking through a slot canyon is difficult to put into words. It is just amazing, and Willis Creek gives people of all capabilities the ability to experience one for themselves.





    Once we reached the junction with Sheep Creek, we retraced our steps back up to the trailhead. In total the hike was 4.4 miles, descended minimally, and took us 1 hour, 40 minutes to complete. After we finished we took the road back toward Cannonville and then east to Kodachrome Basin State Park. Kodachrome Basin State Park holds colorful eroded rock formations of red, pink, white, yellow, and brown. The formations here are more subtle than nearby Bryce Canyon National Park, but the green vegetation and Utah blue sky make the area very appealing to photographers. “This color and contrast prompted the National Geographic Society in 1949, with consent from Kodak Film Corp., to name the park Kodachrome.” Dozens of sandstone spires and chimneys can be found in the park.





    When we entered the park we saw a car off the right side of the road, obviously in trouble. The driver had tried doing a U-turn on the road and drove off the side so that its back wheels were on the pavement and its front wheels were off the road. The group couldn’t get the car back onto the road, so my dad, brothers, and I jumped out of our car and gave them a push back onto the road. We stopped at the visitor center and in talking to the park ranger on duty found he was from Virginia, as we once were. After stopping at the visitor center to use the restrooms, we drove to the Shakespeare Arch Trailhead.





    The Shakespeare Arch Trail headed ½ mile along a path of frequent short sections of uphill/downhill to Shakespeare Arch. The arch is located in an isolated sandstone outcrop. Although the arch is barely visible from the main road into Kodachrome Basin, it was not even discovered until 1976 when a ranger was looking for a coyote den. Ever since the arch has been one of the highlights of the park. The 30-foot arch is only noticeable when nearly right underneath when the blue sky reveals its opening. The Sentinel Trail continues past Shakespeare Arch and loops around the rest of the sandstone group that the arch is part of. We walked back to the trailhead, and along the way the view of the cliffs to the north was very beautiful in the late afternoon.





    After taking the time for the short hike, we drove to nearby Chimney Rock. Chimney Rock is a very large sand pipe located in the far eastern extent of Kodachrome Basin State Park. The road actually circles around the rock and a sign briefly talks about the rock. From the parking lot we were also rewarded with beautiful views to the southeast of the moon rising above the sandstone cliffs. Once we checked out Chimney Rock, it was getting fairly late, and we still had a lengthy drive for the night. We drove back through Tropic and the beautiful cliffs of Red Canyon. As we drove back along Highway 89 we could see the cliffs to the east catch the sun’s final rays. By the time we arrived in Mount Carmel Junction it was dark, and we still had the drive along the Zion-Mt. Carmel Highway to get to Springdale.





    However, this portion of the drive was very interesting. The moon was out and shining very brightly through the canyon. It was so bright, in fact, that we could make out the outline of most of the cliffs. Driving this road during the daytime is very scenic, but it is equally intriguing under the light of a nearly full moon. We drove through the massive 1.1 mile Zion-Mt. Carmel Tunnel that was completed in 1930. It was dedicated on July 4, 1930 and at the time was America’s longest tunnel. The narrow, winding tunnel led to many accidents and near misses with large vehicles, so now the NPS requires advance notion from visitors with large vehicles so that they can be escorted through the tunnel.





    We arrived in Springdale just before 9:00 p.m., and since most of the restaurants close at 9:00 during the summer we decided we should head straight to a restaurant. We knew we only had two nights to spend in Springdale, and we had heard that the Bit %26amp; Spur Saloon, Spotted Dog Café, and Oscar’s Café were three of the best choices for dining in Springdale. Since we spotted it easily our first night driving to Zion on Sunday and since Mexican food is generally a quick meal, we decided we would try Oscar’s Café. We were rather surprised at how expensive some of the entrees were, but the food was excellent. Our waiter never wrote down anything we ordered, and everyone still received everything correct as ordered. The only downside was that we sat on the patio, and the smell from the campground was not at all pleasant. Overall, our meal at Oscar’s was one of the best of the entire trip. After the wonderful dinner we headed over to our hotel at the Best Western RV Park for the night. It was another incredible day on the Colorado Plateau with nearly 9 miles of hiking along beautiful trails. Yet, tomorrow’s hike would be one of the most difficult physical challenges of the trip but with arguably the most inspiring scenery along any trail we had ever done.



    Trip Report: Installment #4


    Your reports are the best I have ever read on this site. They allow me to relive my own trip to some of the places your describe. What a wonderful gift you have shared with others.




    Wow, that is a wonderful compliment gmlawyer. Thank you very much! I%26#39;m so glad my report could bring back some memories. Every time I go on vacation to the western national parks I never spend more than a few dollars on posters. I have always found that the best things you can take back from the trip are photos and memories. I%26#39;m doing these huge trip reports not only so that my family and people on the internet can read them but also as a reminder to myself of how great these trips have been. I%26#39;m glad to know you are enjoying them as well!




    Hi TNsoccer07



    Again, thanks for the trip updates, these must take you hours!



    The trip to the North Rim sounds fab, and we are going in Sept - can%26#39;t wait. You have made it come alive.



    Well Done, looking forward to the last Zion one too.



    Thanks - Heather




    By the way, next you must simply take the family to Moab to Arches and Canyonlands National Parks. They are beyond awesome. This year we took the family to NM and rented houses in Taos and Santa Fe for a week. Still going throught the almost 1000 pictures I took. My wife is a professional writer, so between her writeups and my pictures, we too have our memories locked up for a lifetime.




    Thanks Heather! Yep, it usually takes me a little over 2 hours to complete one day if I don%26#39;t get distracted in the process, so I%26#39;ve definitely worked up a lot of hours doing these. The North Rim was definitely awesome.





    Thanks for the tip gmlawyer! My parents took my siblings and I to Arches on our first trip to the western national parks back in 2000 and at that point Arches was my favorite national park. I%26#39;ve since visited other parks I like more, but I%26#39;d still go back there in a heartbeat. We did not go to Canyonlands until 2004. That year we spent a week near the isolated town of Mesa, Colorado. During that time we spent one day in Arches, one day in the Island in the Sky, and one day in the Needles. Canyonlands is fabulous as well! I think the highlight of that trip was the day in Arches when I hiked Fiery Furnace, Delicate Arch, and Devils Garden to Landscape, Wall, Navajo, Partition, and Double O Arches for a total of around 12 miles in one day---and in 90-100 degree weather too. I have to say that although I may like Rocky Mountain and Glacier National Parks better, my favorite part of the country is still the Colorado Plateau.

    Union Square or Fisherman's Wharf?

    I%26#39;m looking for a hotel that%26#39;s in the middle of all the hustle and bustle of the city, my husband and I have been staying in a very quiet part of San Diego and would like a lively couple of days in SF. We are both 30, probably won%26#39;t actually go clubbing but want somewhere that has lots of bars, restaurants and atmosphere around it, we are only staying two nights so hope to book at least a four star hotel,





    So which area and what hotel? can anyone help please?



    Union Square or Fisherman's Wharf?


    I believe North Beach has a lot going on, maybe you could search in this forum for recommendations?





    Here%26#39;s a link to a few accommodation links





    www.sfnorthbeach.org/food/accommodations.html





    and you could get feedback here at TA.





    Fisherman%26#39;s Wharf is very touristy, depends how kitsch you like things :o)





    I did the trip the other way around a couple of years ago.



    Union Square or Fisherman's Wharf?


    Hotel Boheme seems to get good feedback here if you want that North Beach/walkable to wherever vibe.





    www.hotelboheme.com/quick/policies.html





    tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g60713-d1123鈥?/a>





    Ebabe




    Washington Square Inn would seem to be another good bet.





    tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g60713-d112371-鈥?/a>





    I%26#39;ll go away now LOL




    You%26#39;ve gotten some decent recommendations for alternatives to Union Square or Fisherman%26#39;s Wharf, which, indeed, are not the only places to stay in SF. I don%26#39;t think you%26#39;ll find a 4-star hotel in North Beach, however.



    Here%26#39;s the post we made on the perennial question, found in ';Inside San Francisco'; (buried in the ';San Francisco Overview'; on the lefthand navigation bar):





    tripadvisor.com/Travel-g60713-c2838/San-Fran鈥?/a>


  • eye tips
  • Coventry Motor Inn on Lombard Street.

    Hi,



    I have read the reviews on this hotel and it sounds great in a good location (noise apart).



    I was wondering if anyone had any views on this hotel, it%26#39;s location and it%26#39;s suitability for sightseeing San Francisco for four days.



    Thanks



    Mo



    Coventry Motor Inn on Lombard Street.


    It%26#39;s a motel. The location%26#39;s fine if you%26#39;re driving. If you%26#39;ll be using public transportation, Union Square is vastly superior.



    The FLAG/MAPS page geocities.com/touringsfo/鈥lagMaps.html has links to the best on-line MAP of San Francisco, the outstanding WALKER/BICYCLIST map that shows the steepness of our streets. The new version of the formerly superb map created for the San Francisco Municipal Railway has removed many streets%26#39; names making it less useful. It%26#39;s cluttered with our many bus, cable car, street car, and bus routes. There is also a map of our CABLE CAR ROUTES, our 49-mile SCENIC DRIVE, and a superb map of GOLDEN GATE PARK.



    Coventry Motor Inn on Lombard Street.


    The Coventry is one of several motor lodges along the Lombard Street corridor that I often mention for those interested in lodging that comes with free parking. We frequently recommend these places when you have a car. Many people stay in them even when they don%26#39;t have a car, since they are in a popular residential neighborhood with a lively commercial district. It%26#39;s close to Fisherman%26#39;s Wharf and the northern area of the city where the GG Bridge and marina are.



    It is not near Union Square or the Ferry Building -- though Union Square etc. are all easy enough to get to -- and if you want that experience, you will not find it outside your front doorstep. But it is a fine location, and many choose it because of its free parking with the lodging.

    First time to Los Angeles, coming from London.

    Hi



    The wife and me have only ever been to Orlando, 3 times now with the kids, not sure what to expect in LA. We would like to see as much as possible without needing another holiday to get over this one. Any idea%26#39;s for first timers. We our looking to come over 19 Aug to 2 Sept 2007. Things that jump out are :-



    Grand Canyon (may be in a helicopter)



    Las Vagas but 16 yr old in tow so casino%26#39;s I guess are out, so is it still worth a vist?



    What about some of the tours



    Shopping, of course



    Any other recommendations?



    Also is it better to stay arround LA or drive and stay at each port of call? I don%26#39;t mind the driving but not sure about driving and always looking for some where to stay. Only used to staying in a villa with a pool.



    All information greatly recieved. Paul



    First time to Los Angeles, coming from London.


    You can post on TA LV forum about travelling there with kids. Get ready for some abuse.





    But LV should be fine with a 16 year old. They are not supposed to be in the casino, but there is a lot to do. And LV is a better way to go to the Grand Canyon by air.





    If you go to LA, then stay central in Hollywood. This means you can be near Hollywood Boulevard and be near the metro. This will be handy to go Universal studios.





    Tours to take. Disney, beach tour, stars home.





    If you don%26#39;t mind driving the LA is best explored by car. I understand that you can drive from LV to LA on a good day in 3/4 hours.





    We did LV to LA by plane. The whole experience including coach transfers, waitng etc took 6 hours.



    First time to Los Angeles, coming from London.


    Saying that you%26#39;re coming to Los Angeles on holiday and want to visit Las Vegas and Grand Canyon is like me saying I%26#39;m going to London on holiday and want to visit Glasgow and Amsterdam while there.





    So - choose a city to fly into, and one to fly out of. I suggest beginning your vacation in Los Angeles, flying to Vegas from LA, and back home to the UK from Vegas. I wouldn%26#39;t spend more than a few days in Las Vegas, but also know that it is our busiest holiday of the year Aug 31 through Sept 3, so expect Vegas to be overly crowded and, perhaps, sold out already as that is a big convention weekend.





    Driving to Las Vegas from LA is about 5 hours each way. Grand Canyon is a few hours drive from Vegas.





    In LA, choose an area/neighborhood you want to stay in, as LA is enormous (and NOTHING like Orlando). Please see our FAQs at the top of the Los Angeles Forums, particularly Where to Stay and What to Do, within the sticky.




    Hi





    Thanks for the reply%26#39;s so far.





    Good thing I posted this then as I now no Aug 31 through Sept 3 is a big convention weekend. So perhaps the way to go is Las Vagas first and leave before the convention starts. Then maybe finish off in LA? What is the convention thats taking over the town?





    Not sure about going to Universal and Disney as we have been a few times before. Disney in 2002 %26amp; 2006 and Universal in 2002 %26amp; 2004 all in Orlando. I guess they are the same as the parks in Orlando?




    There are always conventions in Las Vegas, but Labor Day kicks of their busiest month - I found listings for 5 conventions/trade shows, for just that weekend.




    Although in TA LA - having been to LV if you want to do Grand Canyon best if go in a helicopter as Sooooooooo much less time taken up. We did the sunset tour with a stop down in one of the valleys, left in daylight from LV (picked up by Limo) then dropped off with a over the strip helicopter flight at night - FAN flippin TASTIC! I would do it again!

    San Fran - Yosemite - Las Vegas???

    Hello all



    Coming out to San Francisco in Oct, first visit to States!



    We want to go from San Fran to Yosemite and stay a few nights before going on to Las Vegas.



    Now I know its a huge drive from San Francisco to Las Vegas, so I%26#39;m wondering if its actually better to go from Yosemite BACK to SF and then get a flight to Las Vegas. Can I have some opinions please?



    I don%26#39;t really relish the thought of a huge drive whilst on vacation unless there%26#39;s loads to see, and I%26#39;m led to believe that there won%26#39;t be much to see on the drive from SF to Las Vegas.



    Any thoughts?



    Thanks



    S



    San Fran - Yosemite - Las Vegas???


    Shezza77 芦We want to go from San Fran[cisco] to Yosemite and stay a few nights before going on to Las Vegas.禄



    Driving Directions with links to relevant maps and URLs of places passed through: San Francisco to Pacifica-Half Moon Bay-Santa Cruz-Monterey/Carmel, Big Sur, San Lu铆s Obispo, Yosemite, Los Angeles, and San Diego geocities.com/touringsfo/鈥riveDir.html



    芦Now I know its a huge drive from San Francisco to Las Vegas禄



    It%26#39;s about seven hundred miles.



    芦better to go from Yosemite BACK to SF and then get a flight to Las Vegas.禄



    NO! In October, however, there might be snow closing the Tioga Pass.



    芦I don%26#39;t really relish the thought of a huge drive whilst on vacation unless there%26#39;s loads to see禄



    Click on the icon at left then ';The Road'; to see my recent itinerary. Read on for the very long details of the trip from which we returned a few days ago. It is neither the first, nor the last, time I%26#39;ll take that route. It%26#39;s great!



    芦I%26#39;m led to believe that there won%26#39;t be much to see on the drive from SF to Las Vegas.禄



    That%26#39;s true if one takes the other route, through Bakersfield and Barstow UNLESS you find the desert as fascinating as I do . However, ain%26#39;t much %26#39;fore Barstow. That route is only six hundred miles.



    San Fran - Yosemite - Las Vegas???


    * ';I%26#39;m led to believe that there won%26#39;t be much to see on the drive from SF to Las Vegas'; *





    Who led you to believe that? They must never have seen the Mother Lode (Gold Rush country), Yosemite, the Sierra Nevada, maybe Bodie ghost town, Mono Lake, Mammoth Lakes, Devil%26#39;s Postpile, Mt. Whitney, and the jewel of the whole continent, Death Valley. (If you are traveling only one way between the two cities, this is the only way to go. I%26#39;ve given the SF-to-LV sequence; reverse it for LV-SF).





    You cannot do justice to this in a quick 2-day dash. I guess it could be done in about 4 days if you were in a rush, but a week would let you take your time, make a few overnight stops, and really enjoy a lot of the best sites.




    Shezza- if this is your first visit to the states I hope you have many nights for the trip you are planning. My question is why go to Las Vegas at all? San Francisco, Yosemite and the Gold country in between have alot to offer in terms of sights, outdoors, shopping, activities, etc. LV is an adult playground for casinos, shows, shopping and not very representative of what the USA people are like with diversity, cultural and scenic variety.





    But if you gotta go, I would fly from SF to LV. You don%26#39;t want to spend your holiday in a car driving and there could be snow in the mountains leaving from Yosemite.




    It may be a bit hard to menuever from one to the other, but depending on what you like, all three places are great. You can also fly from Sacramento to Vegas, which would be a 3 hour drive from Yosemite. It might even been fine to just drive to Vegas. Its a 7 hour drive, which would probably be the amount of time you%26#39;d travel if you drove to San Francisco or Sacramento then flew. You%26#39;d get to see a few different areas on the drive.





    Also, love it or hate it, Las Vegas is very American, so I wouldn%26#39;t miss that while you%26#39;re here. Sounds like you%26#39;ve got a great trip planned. Enjoy.




    Shezza,





    Yosemite is approximately half way between San Francisco and Las Vegas. The previous poster was correct that depending on when in October you%26#39;re traveling, you may be looking at the first snow that closes Tioga Pass through Yosemite, making the more scenic route from Yosemite to Las Vegas impassable. If Tioga Pass is open, however, it%26#39;s a beautiful drive into the Eastern Sierra. Then you can travel south and if you have time, through Death Valley. This is a long drive, though. It%26#39;s one full day from Yosemite to Las Vegas. If it%26#39;s early October, you may not have a problem. Late October may be questionable, especially if snow starts.





    Your other option is to leave your car in Fresno, then fly to Las Vegas. It%26#39;s not inexpensive, but may save you some driving hours.





    Alternatively, you can drive south through Bakersfield and over the pass to Barstow, then spend a little time in Palm Springs before heading into Las Vegas.





    Enjoy your trip!




    Hi



    I%26#39;m another tourist and a regular visitor to the area. If you can, and I would highly recommend, take the drive from SF to Yosemite-Lone Pine-Death Valley-Las Vegas. It%26#39;s a fantastic visit. Yosemite is not halfway between SF and LV but less than 1/3. Previous poster mentioned Palm Springs on your way from San Francisco-Bakersfield-Las Vegas from Barstow but keep in mind this will be at least a 4 hours detour without the visit to Palm Springs. Even if Tioga Pass is closed I would recommend to drive from Yosemite Valley to Bakersfiel d and make the detour through Death Valley. Maybe even visit Sequoia NP south of Yosemite if you have the time.



    Tet




    swirlinabc has grossly mis-informed you by saying 芦Yosemite is approximately half way between San Francisco and Las Vegas.禄



    By the shortest route, that does not include Yosemite, it%26#39;s six hundred miles. Yosemite is 200 miles, i.e., it%26#39;s twice the distance, by the shortest route, from Yosemite to Las Vegas than from San Francisco to Yosemite. Via Yosemite and Death Valley, it%26#39;s about seven hundred magnificent, spectacular, wondrous, beautiful, and worth-while miles.



    芦If Tioga Pass is open, however, it%26#39;s a beautiful drive into the Eastern Sierra. Then you can travel south and if you have time, through Death Valley. This is a long drive, though. It%26#39;s one full day from Yosemite to Las Vegas.禄



    That%26#39;s correct.



    It%26#39;s also correct that you can go 芦through Bakersfield and over the pass to Barstow禄 but 芦Palm Springs禄 is even farther out of your way than Yosemite 芦heading into Las Vegas.禄.



    You can go via the Northern Yosemite Highway into Yosemite and The Valley thence exit via the Southern Yosemite Highway to Fresno and down Highway 99 to Bakersfield then Highway 58 to Barstow and The Mojave Highway to %26#39;Vegas.



    My post to you yesterday at 19:19 forum time contains most of the information you need. I neglected, however, to include: Here%26#39;s ';A bit of non-gambling Las Vegas'; with about a dozen useful links: geocities.com/iconoc/Articles/LasVegas.html




    Mea Culpa...





    Distance wise, I stand corrected.





    However...if you take the most boring direct way out of Las Vegas and south down the spine of Nevada, it%26#39;s about an 6 hour drive. From San Francisco to Yosemite, assuming that you are leaving at a less than optimal time and get into some traffic, it can be at least 4 hours +.





    Knowing that Palm Springs is out of the way from Las Vegas, I meant it as a side destination to break up the monotony of the Mojave Desert if the route through Bakersfield and Barstow was not an option. Yes, it is out of the way on the path to Las Vegas, but it can be another way of seeing the California Desert that is very different than Las Vegas. I was a very unclear in my description.




    Hello everyone and thank you so much for taking the time to respond to my post. It appears a very active forum, I%26#39;m going to enjoy picking your brains whilst planning my trip.



    Very excited indeed.



    The scenic route drive sounds brilliant, done over a few days. We have 17 days in all so not stuck for time, but do want to see as much as possible whilst not getting too knackered.



    Has anyone saved any threads in this forum which would suggest cool itineraries for me? Haven%26#39;t booked anything yet other than flights so am completely open to ideas. We fly in to San Fran and out of LA 17 days later





    As a spanner in the works, someone in work today has told me that I should in fact be doing the PAcific Coast drive from San Fran to LA instead. Any views on that guys? Clearly I can%26#39;t do them both!





    We are a couple in our early 30s looking for a good mix of outdoors, scenery, nightlife, relaxation, adventure, bit of luxury, generally experience the best which America has to offer whatever that may be!!





    (being a bit lazy really aren%26#39;t i, bet there%26#39;s loads of threads on here to help me. I%26#39;ll have a look!)





    Thank you!



    s xx




    Hi Shezza.



    You will not find many routes starting SF, making an inland loop and fly out Los Angeles the coastal drive included on the forum. Most of the time the arriving/starting location is Los Angeles or San Francisco and if you want to visit hw 1 too, you%26#39;ll have to do some backtracking. What I mean to say is, starting in SF, drive along the coast, go to Las Vegas and to SF back again (or from LA)is what%26#39;s been done most.



    Maybe try this on your 17 days (that%26#39;s not very long as you will see.



    Day 1: Arrive San Francisco



    Day 2: San Francisco



    Day 3: San Francisco



    Day 4: SF to Yosemite NP



    Day 5: Yosemite NP



    Day 6: Yosemite NP to Lone Pine



    Day 7: Lone Pine-Death Valley-Las Vegas



    Day 8: Las Vegas



    Day 9: Las Vegas



    Day 10: Las Vegas-Sequoia NP (Three rivers)



    Day 11: Sequoia/Kings Canyon NP



    Day 12: Sequoia-Monterey



    Day 13: Monterey-Carmel-Point Lobos SR-Big Sur-Cambria. Visit to Hearst Castle



    Day 14: Cambria to Santa Barbara (or visit Hearst Castle in the morning)



    Day 15: SB to LA



    Day 16: LA



    Day 17: LA



    Day 18: Home.



    Keep in mind, this will be a lot of driving. Here%26#39;s another option but you%26#39;ll miss Yosemite, Death Valley and Sequoia.



    Day 1: Arrive SF



    Day 2: San Francisco



    Day 3: San Francisco



    Day 4: San Francisco-Half Moon Bay-Santa Cruz-Monterey



    Day 5: Monterey-Carmel-Point Lobos-Big Sur-Cambrai



    Day 6: Cambria-Santa Barbara



    Day 7: Santa Barbara-Las Vegas



    Day 8: Las Vegas



    Day 9: Las Vegas



    Day 10: Las Vegas-Grand Canyon-South Rim



    Day 11: Grand Canyon south rim-Sedona



    Day 12: Sedona



    Day 13: Sedona-Palm Springs



    Day 14: Palm Springs



    Day 15: Palm Springs-Los Angeles



    Day 16: LA



    Day 17: LA



    Day 18: Home.



    Also a lot of driving and many more possibilities.



    Hpoe this helps some. Don%26#39;t hesitate to ask for more routes. We%26#39;ll always try to help you.



    Tet